Lack of masculine and masculine sounding and acting good guys on DISCO

[Admiral X]

Men do generally have a lot more upper body strength, though, and they don't have to look like Arnold to have it. They also tend to have more mass, which is why the term waif-fu was coined. That's not to say that women can't beat up on men (that's a fairly significant amount of domestic violence, after all ), I just think it's like the TV Tropes article says, "the tiny but skilled fighter rarely meets a stronger but also skilled fighter, even when she's fighting cops, mercenaries, and other people who should be trained in violence," particularly when the men she's fighting do actually kind of look like Arnold.

See, this is why guns are so cool - they don't care how strong you are, or how much you weigh, just how well you can aim.

[Yukaphile]

Exactly. It's the tools we have. I don't dispute men are generally more built, overall. But in the end, my only question is... what does it matter, really? In the long run? Nothing. It's just a genetic accident. And I've heard women have certain advantages that way too, even if you wanna insist it's not raw strength. Saw an article on this, but can't remember where...

[Karha of Honor]

I mean, that is toxic masculinity, isn't it? That's seriously underestimating women. Women can be just as vicious, strong, and violent as any man. And it inherently assumes a woman looking stronger than men on screen is bad.

You pretty much need sci fi tech to have a female Mike Tyson or Connor Mcgregor...

I'm still of the mindset a well-trained female martial arts master who's been training longer than a professional wrestler or bodybuilder could take them down. It's not all about raw power. It's about skill, knowing where to strike, and what tools you have at hand. Clinging to the "men are bigger" bullshit is really regressive, and holds us back as a species, because in the end, most men are NOT Arnold Schwarzenegger and most women aren't a dwarf.

Bu average man with the same training in the majority of cases>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>average woman with the same training

Why do we have to repeat stuff you should have learned in Kindergarten?

[Darth Wedgius]

It's sad really how some people on internet like to pretend like they know what real man is and think that they belong to those. If there were real men then they wouldn't be on internet whining about every little thing and with it showing how insecure they really are. At end of they are are just bunch of pathetic losers that can't be taken seriously by anyone who doesn't have low mental age.

I have a suspicion this just might, by some stretch, be an ad hominem. It's subtle, but if you look long enough, it's there.

Yeah well thing is it's they own fault for giving me that impression with they own behavior so they only have themselves to blame. And they keep doing it. Not that they would have enough self awareness to realize that mind you instead of blaming others from everything and acting like it's nothing is they fault.

I think you should probably take accountability for what you say, instead of claiming that others are responsible for it. But that may be a fundamental disagreement in philosophy.

[Mecha82]

It's sad really how some people on internet like to pretend like they know what real man is and think that they belong to those. If there were real men then they wouldn't be on internet whining about every little thing and with it showing how insecure they really are. At end of they are are just bunch of pathetic losers that can't be taken seriously by anyone who doesn't have low mental age.

I have a suspicion this just might, by some stretch, be an ad hominem. It's subtle, but if you look long enough, it's there.

Yeah well thing is it's they own fault for giving me that impression with they own behavior so they only have themselves to blame. And they keep doing it. Not that they would have enough self awareness to realize that mind you instead of blaming others from everything and acting like it's nothing is they fault.

I think you should probably take accountability for what you say, instead of claiming that others are responsible for it. But that may be a fundamental disagreement in philosophy.

Not many people know this about me but I am actually very self critical. Too much in fact. It's why I tend to be critical towards others as well because lot of time they seem to lack that and I tend to notice that so easily.

[Darth Wedgius]

Exactly. It's the tools we have. I don't dispute men are generally more built, overall. But in the end, my only question is... what does it matter, really? In the long run? Nothing. It's just a genetic accident. And I've heard women have certain advantages that way too, even if you wanna insist it's not raw strength. Saw an article on this, but can't remember where...

On average, men have almost twice the upper body strength that women do, Yukaphile, and science simply doesn't say that strength doesn't matter in a fight. You have to be a lot more skilled than your opponent to make up that kind of difference, and most women aren't a lot more skilled than men in this area. Punches thrown with twice the upper body strength are going to hit about twice as hard. Men also have heavier, stronger bones on average, and more muscle for padding against blows. Women do have advantages when it comes to ultra-long endurance races, but a man vs. woman fight isn't likely to last nearly that long.

This doesn't mean men are better than women any more than it would mean Arnold Schwarzenegger is a better person than Stephen Hawking was.

[Karha of Honor]

It's sad really how some people on internet like to pretend like they know what real man is and think that they belong to those. If there were real men then they wouldn't be on internet whining about every little thing and with it showing how insecure they really are. At end of they are are just bunch of pathetic losers that can't be taken seriously by anyone who doesn't have low mental age.

I have a suspicion this just might, by some stretch, be an ad hominem. It's subtle, but if you look long enough, it's there.

Yeah well thing is it's they own fault for giving me that impression with they own behavior so they only have themselves to blame. And they keep doing it. Not that they would have enough self awareness to realize that mind you instead of blaming others from everything and acting like it's nothing is they fault.

I think you should probably take accountability for what you say, instead of claiming that others are responsible for it. But that may be a fundamental disagreement in philosophy.

Not many people know this about me but I am actually very self critical. Too much in fact. It's why I tend to be critical towards others as well because lot of time they seem to lack that and I tend to notice that so easily.

You go ahead and be a progressive saint and the rest of us shall keep sinning.

[Darth Wedgius]

It's sad really how some people on internet like to pretend like they know what real man is and think that they belong to those. If there were real men then they wouldn't be on internet whining about every little thing and with it showing how insecure they really are. At end of they are are just bunch of pathetic losers that can't be taken seriously by anyone who doesn't have low mental age.

I have a suspicion this just might, by some stretch, be an ad hominem. It's subtle, but if you look long enough, it's there.

Yeah well thing is it's they own fault for giving me that impression with they own behavior so they only have themselves to blame. And they keep doing it. Not that they would have enough self awareness to realize that mind you instead of blaming others from everything and acting like it's nothing is they fault.

I think you should probably take accountability for what you say, instead of claiming that others are responsible for it. But that may be a fundamental disagreement in philosophy.

Not many people know this about me but I am actually very self critical. Too much in fact. It's why I tend to be critical towards others as well because lot of time they seem to lack that and I tend to notice that so easily.

But in this case you haven't been self-critical. You started with an ad hominem, and then claimed that they brought that upon themselves.

Be honest about what you did. You didn't attack an argument, you attacked the peope making the argument instead. Then you compounded that by shirking responsibility and pretty much saying they made you do it.

[clearspira]

Men do generally have a lot more upper body strength, though, and they don't have to look like Arnold to have it. They also tend to have more mass, which is why the term waif-fu was coined. That's not to say that women can't beat up on men (that's a fairly significant amount of domestic violence, after all ), I just think it's like the TV Tropes article says, "the tiny but skilled fighter rarely meets a stronger but also skilled fighter, even when she's fighting cops, mercenaries, and other people who should be trained in violence," particularly when the men she's fighting do actually kind of look like Arnold.

See, this is why guns are so cool - they don't care how strong you are, or how much you weigh, just how well you can aim.

I would argue that female on male domestic abuse mostly happens because of 'boys don't hit girls' and everything legal and social that surrounds that. Pound for pound if he hit back then she would be paste.
If it was as simple as yuka reckons then women would have overcome the male advantages centuries before they did.

[Yukaphile]

Given all the pictures of men and women I've seen in my lifetime, most human beings aren't trained fighters, and so the size difference isn't that great. I do think it's ultimately meaningless. Another way we equate to "men = power, women = softness."