Rise of Populism?

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Also, the attitude I saw from them is how out of touch and narrow-minded they are. True, you can vote for any number of reasons, I don't deny that. To do otherwise would be to claim that voting based on identity politics is bullshit. But, at the same time, it really led them to being so horribly insensitive and apathetic to the plight of anyone past white males. You can prefer to vote for one reason, but don't dismiss those other important causes. And as I said, Sanders wasn't the messiah ready to usher in "real change" they thought he was.
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Yukaphile wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 10:05 pm Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump bear this out. Btw, why isn't this in news?
It isn't about any particular news event, and more a discussion of populism.
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Mecha82 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 10:35 pm That financial situation of University Students isn't getting any better nor is financial situation of any normal Americans in that matter considering all that was taken away from them so that rich can have they tax cuts.
What was taken away from them so that the rich can have their tax cuts?
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Seems to me that the use of the word populism has only ever been used to describe the toxic right and not the toxic left.
Herm. Makes you think.
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clearspira wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 12:24 am Seems to me that the use of the word populism has only ever been used to describe the toxic right and not the toxic left.
Herm. Makes you think.
That might be the case. I didn't hear "populism" used accusatorily for Occupy Wall Street, and the 99% vs. the 1% was the main talking point.

And if it can make me think, it can do it for pretty much anybody.
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Well, most of Sanders' voters were former Occupy members, so there you go.
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Populism can be dangerous because it can appeal to anti-intellectualism. The elites leading the populists use proxies to lead scare tactics, destruction of science, progress, tolerance, minority rights, etc.

To quote one of my favorite books, Enlightenment Now:
Pinker, Steven. Enlightenment Now (pp. 333-334). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition. wrote:Authoritarian populism can be seen as a pushback of elements of human nature—tribalism, authoritarianism, demonization, zero-sum thinking—against the Enlightenment institutions that were designed to circumvent them. By focusing on the tribe rather than the individual, it has no place for the protection of minority rights or the promotion of human welfare worldwide. By failing to acknowledge that hard-won knowledge is the key to societal improvement, it denigrates “elites” and “experts” and downplays the marketplace of ideas, including freedom of speech, diversity of opinion, and the fact-checking of self-serving claims. By valorizing a strong leader, populism overlooks the limitations in human nature, and disdains the rule-governed institutions and constitutional checks that constrain the power of flawed human actors.
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FaxModem1 wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 1:21 am Populism can be dangerous because it can appeal to anti-intellectualism. The elites leading the populists use proxies to lead scare tactics, destruction of science, progress, tolerance, minority rights, etc.

To quote one of my favorite books, Enlightenment Now:
Pinker, Steven. Enlightenment Now (pp. 333-334). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition. wrote:Authoritarian populism can be seen as a pushback of elements of human nature—tribalism, authoritarianism, demonization, zero-sum thinking—against the Enlightenment institutions that were designed to circumvent them. By focusing on the tribe rather than the individual, it has no place for the protection of minority rights or the promotion of human welfare worldwide. By failing to acknowledge that hard-won knowledge is the key to societal improvement, it denigrates “elites” and “experts” and downplays the marketplace of ideas, including freedom of speech, diversity of opinion, and the fact-checking of self-serving claims. By valorizing a strong leader, populism overlooks the limitations in human nature, and disdains the rule-governed institutions and constitutional checks that constrain the power of flawed human actors.
It seems a fair charge that it can lead to anti-intellectualism. I don't think it's more tribal or less appreciative of freedom of speech or diversity of opinion than pluralism is, but I appreciate the information that some people think so. Thank you.
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Mecha82 wrote: Sat May 25, 2019 10:35 pm That financial situation of University Students isn't getting any better nor is financial situation of any normal Americans in that matter considering all that was taken away from them so that rich can have they tax cuts.
Job audit. Real look at how much knowledge is needed for what job and incentivize hiring people right out of high school.
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Slash Gallagher wrote: Sun May 26, 2019 10:01 amJob audit. Real look at how much knowledge is needed for what job and incentivize hiring people right out of high school.
I really do agree, but straddling people with some billions of dollars worth of tuition debt is beyond job audit as a recourse.
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