Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:50 pm
I mean, I literally said my own fanboyism is at work here, yet you accuse me of being biased. THE HELL DOES THAT WORK?! So, you wanna make this about objective fact, let's do it. When I said there's no shame in liking something better as a matter of personal preference.
I didn't accuse you of bias. I accused you of not being able to accept other people's reasons even if you disagree with them.
You didn't say a matter of personal preference, you said "nostalgic fanboy."
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Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:49 pm
I mean, claiming a planet explosion looks unrealistic... because of the rings... in fiction. REALLY?! Next you'll be claiming Dragon Ball Z's planet explosions look fake.
Oh come on, don't play the "it's fiction!" line. That's a lazy bit of nonsense that gets trotted out to justify any old rubbish, a convenient excuse to handwave away absolutely anything. IIRC Chuck had something to say about it once (can't remember what review it was).
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Yukaphile wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:40 pm
Because the updated effect is objectively better. If you prefer it as a matter of personal opinion, that's fine. But that's so obviously fake it hurts! It's less fake with the updated effect past you saying "the ring looks bad." Do you think the same thing for the Praxis explosion or the Mothership explosion from ID4? If not, then why? It may just be what I said, personal preference.
I do think the same for the Praxis explosion. Can't remember the Mothership one.
The updated effect is objectively better technically. That isn't the same as more appropriate (neither are great on that front). It's not just about the technical aspects, it's about how you use them (and heaven knows Lucas got carried away with special effects at that time). The ring is so "this is a special effect!" that it makes it look even more fake than the rather janky explosion in the original.
I can accept the "better technically but not appropriately" thing, but I still maintain that's your personal preference. After all, the Death Star had a similar blast when it blew up. In short, I don't mind rings when a planet blows up. It's a trope called planar shockwave, after all, and in short, tropes are not bad. Only how you use them.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
Yukaphile wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:26 am
I can accept the "better technically but not appropriately" thing, but I still maintain that's your personal preference. After all, the Death Star had a similar blast when it blew up. In short, I don't mind rings when a planet blows up. It's a trope called planar shockwave, after all, and in short, tropes are not bad. Only how you use them.
Fair enough. It's a trope that gets on my nerves whenever I see it (I feel the same way about the Death Star blast), so I tend to react negatively as soon as I see it.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
I suppose you could call it a personal opinion given that there are various common but ridiculous things in various films that don't bother me (such as the fighter plane combat in SW). So where things step over the bounds into facepalming is a personal threshold I guess.
That one in the link, there's some sort of ring around the planet before the explosion which suggests it's detonating in that plane anyway, as if there was a ring of charges, so it appears rather more justified. I can buy that.
For a rather daft comparison, imagine a balloon filled with water that's been weakened around the centre. I'd expect it to blow out with a ring of water when it gets too full, but it would be rather odd if that happened if you shot an unweakened balloon.
Another special edition change I loved is the wampa. I loved seeing more of it.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
The only Special Edition change I even slightly sympathize with the objections to is Greedo Shooting first. But ya know because that whole's scene existence is an argument against adding the Jabba scene I kind of feel like just cutting it out altogether because I find the Jabba scene far more valuable and entertaining then any version of that scene.
It is especially the JOTJ changes I can't not tolerate hearing bashed, every one of them improves the film tenfold in my view. This is the movie fanboys hated when it came out in 83 so why are they bothering to be attached to the 83 version anyway?
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
— Kreia, Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords
