British government now issuing blunt knives...

[Yukaphile]

Columbine was one. Now we got dozens we can name.

[Admiral X]

Yet clearspira is just fine with it.

Which is just sad and speaks of social conditioning, honestly.

It's more telling about us and our innate paranoia about government outreach

The word you're looking for here is "overreach," and, yeah, we should always be worried about that kind of thing, because history has plenty of examples of what happens when a government is allowed too much unchecked power over its population.

and how we cling to our guns and bibles as if they're the answer. That's our founding heritage.

You realize you're talking to an atheist, right? So you'll hardly find me clinging to a bible. And just as I often have to explain to way too many people, the US was not founded as a Christian nation. Most of the Founding Fathers were deists. Jefferson actually did his own fan-fic rewrite of the bible to take out all references to divinity and supernatural miracles. The guns though, yeah, totally.

[Admiral X]

Columbine was one. Now we got dozens we can name.

There were plenty of other ones people seem to have forgotten about that took place in the '90s. Kind of like how people seem to forget that Columbine took place right in the middle of the AWB. If anything, the thing the vast majority of these mass shootings have in common is that they take place in "gun-free zones." We have a very recent example of someone trying to pull off a mass shooting in a place full of armed guards, and he's the only one that got killed - go figure.

[Yukaphile]

You'd probably raise a child to handle a gun when they're only what, 13 or so? Yeah, social conditioning my ass, more like it's something you disagree with, therefore, the other side must be brainwashing them.

Can you name any? And I know the "gun-free" argument is something Libertarians love. But I'm not in favor or open-carry or concealed carry at all. An average citizen should not be walking the streets armed. That said, you can be flexible with this. Like transporting a gun to some kind of show or whatever in the back of a truck can be allowed. But physically walking through a city with a gun in your pocket... like that's gonna help you. It feeds into this stereotype that total security is something you can have if you just try hard enough. If somebody sneaks up behind you and knifes you to take your money, how much good will that concealed gun do for you?

[Mecha82]

Claiming that other side is brainwashing children while being one actually doing it or at least wanting to do it. There is word for that that I haven't used for while. That's right, it's hypocrisy. So based on that weird logic brainwashing is good thing when it's done by people that have radical conservative values and believe that NRA propaganda.

To be honest I can't image what it's like to be afraid to go outside while only feeling safe when carrying gun if even then because I have never had to thanks to our gun laws limiting guns for hunters and sport shooters only and none of those are assault rifles. And yes, they take mental health into account when giving permits.

[Yukaphile]

I had a stabbing spree in my town. St. Cloud, Minnesota. Look it up. President Obama gave a national address about it back in 2016. I go by that site, I know the area. So that was pretty chilling, but even so, nobody died. Because you cannot compare a gun to a hammer or knife. It kills quicker.

[Robovski]

Because you cannot compare a gun to a hammer or knife. It kills quicker.

Sure you can. Like all tools it is a matter of how you use them. In the abattoir (for example) they don't use guns, they use hammers or knives (usually halal or kosher when it's a knife). But hey, if you are some city idiot, you don't know that all of these things are tools with uses because of your limited experiences.

[Yukaphile]

YOU CAN'T. A gun is designed to kill more people more swiftly in a shorter time frame. I DARE you to find a single case where a knife or a hammer killed dozens or hundreds in seconds from a one-handed murderer.

[Admiral X]

You'd probably raise a child to handle a gun when they're only what, 13 or so? Yeah, social conditioning my ass, more like it's something you disagree with, therefore, the other side must be brainwashing them.

Except that when you look at what he says as far as self defense, yeah, it's pretty obvious he's been socially conditioned to think that way, just like I was to be a lot more independent.

Can you name any?

Amazingly easy thanks to the internet being a thing. Here's just the ones that have a wiki article:
Bethel Regional High School
Pearl High School
Heath High School
West Side Middle School
Parker Middle School
Thurston High School

And I know the "gun-free" argument is something Libertarians love.

It's not that we "love" it, it's that it's an obvious commonality. The people who do this obviously want to kill as many people as possible, so of course they're going to target places where they know people aren't armed.

But I'm not in favor or open-carry or concealed carry at all. An average citizen should not be walking the streets armed.

And I'm a real big believer in concealed carry. Not everyone has to be armed, either, just enough to put some doubt in anyone who might have a mind to do something bad to people.

But physically walking through a city with a gun in your pocket... like that's gonna help you.

It does actually. A lot. The CDC did a study on it they never bothered to release because it gave them results they didn't like.

It feeds into this stereotype that total security is something you can have if you just try hard enough.

No more so than buckling up and having airbags provides total safety when driving, or having a fire extinguisher at home provides total fire protection. It's just something that can help improve one's chances.

If somebody sneaks up behind you and knifes you to take your money, how much good will that concealed gun do for you?

If a big fire starts next door, what good does your little kitchen extinguisher do you? Does that mean you shouldn't bother keeping one?

[Admiral X]

Claiming that other side is brainwashing children while being one actually doing it or at least wanting to do it. There is word for that that I haven't used for while. That's right, it's hypocrisy. So based on that weird logic brainwashing is good thing when it's done by people that have radical conservative values and believe that NRA propaganda.

So "brainwashing" is only good when your side does it, right?

To be honest I can't image what it's like to be afraid to go outside while only feeling safe when carrying gun

Speaking of propaganda.

Tell me, does having a fire extinguisher also make me afraid of fires?