Let's get down to brass tacks... (SJWs/influence in movies)

[Mecha82]

I find claims of political agenda being forced into things harder and harder to take seriously anymore because of how many times I have seen it done on internet over every little thing by those crying about it when ever they think that opposing political agenda is being pushed. It reminds me about that fable The boy Who Cried Wolf were that boy cried wolf so many times just to trick people that when wolf actually did appear no one believed him anymore and he paid from it.

[Yukaphile]

There's an agenda everywhere. Odo said it best. It's human nature.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

The actual term is "Presentism." Trying to apply values from today to a time long gone by.

That has to do with analyzing past incidences. Chiggy is talking about manifesting such incidences through art.

They both involve sensibilities of today's standards. But yes, presentism is using those standards to evaluate a character's integrity without context, while Chiggy is saying that those standards influence how the art is created in violation of the context.

[Yukaphile]

I've seen that too. It's also pretty nasty.

[ChiggyvonRichthofen]

The actual term is "Presentism." Trying to apply values from today to a time long gone by.

That has to do with analyzing past incidences. Chiggy is talking about manifesting such incidences through art.

They both involve sensibilities of today's standards. But yes, presentism is using those standards to evaluate a character's integrity without context, while Chiggy is saying that those standards influence how the art is created in violation of the context.

Yeah. I'd also add that I don't necessarily have a problem with a director/writer "judging" the mindsets and actions of historical characters. Even the cold, detached perspective of a Stanley Kubrick film is still approaching its subject with a point of view. Of course a smart director/writer will tend to have a more nuanced take on things than reactionaries, but there's no way to avoid looking through some sort of lens; that's fundamental to fiction.

Movies like, say, The Revenant or True Grit, does a pretty decent job of selling the setting and characters without actually approving of the brutality of that world.

As far as whining about political agendas or PC turning into the boy who cried wolf, sure there's people who will whine about anything. But the fact remains that there are a ton of things that can interfere with good storytelling, and I think you have to take it on a case by case basis whether some of these factors end up hurting a work.

[Yukaphile]

Some of these, however, are just downright twisted - these perspectives. However, I've not only beaten that dead horse, I've molested it like the writers of Enterprise did, so I'll let it drop.

[Zargon]

Well, the best thing is all the SJWS crap is just a fad...and one that is already fading.

Really, Holylwood/others do put out huge piles of crap all the time. So SJWS just adds a little crap to that...but not noticabley so.

The target Social Justice base....the couple of girls and women...and,er, ''supportive" guys LOVE all the SJ stuff and can't get enough. They are just a samll group though....no one else cares or notices much.

The biggest thing about the whole SJW thing is...well....it had little or no effect. The world did not suddenly just ''change".

Sure, many fans are upset as the SJW did ruin plenty of TV shows and movies...even more so if they were franchises. But again, it's not a big deal, as every franchise has always had bad ones.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Two obstacles I see to progressivism in media: one being transmissive work that depends on something that is controversial, in which case half the fans are divided on whether they agree with the agenda or not and; the second being transmissive work that is based on more abstract analysis of social systems that just aren't ostensibly apparent, in that they tend to make sense from a perspective influenced by research and potentially not depicting something familiarized by the viewer to an extent.

Nobody has a fuss over the Empire being an allegory for the US in Vietnam despite that hardly being the worst endeavor the state has taken to commit, or an event that's necessarily accurate in the depiction as I see it. Everybody pretty much agrees that Vietnam was a mess of a conflict that America involved itself in, and it's what you might call the commencement of excessive war captured on visual media that the world saw.

[Mecha82]

Well, the best thing is all the SJWS crap is just a fad...and one that is already fading.

Really, Holylwood/others do put out huge piles of crap all the time. So SJWS just adds a little crap to that...but not noticabley so.

The target Social Justice base....the couple of girls and women...and,er, ''supportive" guys LOVE all the SJ stuff and can't get enough. They are just a samll group though....no one else cares or notices much.

The biggest thing about the whole SJW thing is...well....it had little or no effect. The world did not suddenly just ''change".

Sure, many fans are upset as the SJW did ruin plenty of TV shows and movies...even more so if they were franchises. But again, it's not a big deal, as every franchise has always had bad ones.

Then there are people that whine about it all the time and how it supposedly ruined what they like while un-ironically using SJW over every little thing while pretending to be better than those that they call that without realizing that they are equally bad. And irony about what you wrote is that you are trying so hard to pretend to be sensible person but you still use that term un-ironically.

[Yukaphile]

Yeah, those bitching about SJWs often tend to be just as bad and act similarly in their own way. It's like, do you have no sense of self-awareness? You're acting just like the very strawman you've constructed in your head!