The Legend of Korra Series Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

[aceina]

say any one remember when LoK started people where convinced asami was evil or would turn evil

i laughed at them then and now

[Megabob452]

I remember that theory. Actually had an argument with someone still trying to support evil-Asami after the non-reveal of her dad supporting Amon. This guy tried to portray Asami as a plant in Team Avatar to spy on them for Amon, her "betrayal" of her father being the act that earns their trust, and she would in turn betray Korra at the end. Problem with that theory was that there was no point in such a scheme, as Asami's dad already had the entirety of Team Avatar in custody and ready to ship to Amon. Why bother setting up a spy in the enemy camp when you've already won? If Asami really had been evil, all she had to do was accept her father's offer and watch Team Avatar get shipped away.

Personally, I think the evil-Asami theories were just an extension of the shipping wars, with Makorra/Zutara fans reaching for anything that would remove Asami from the equation.

[Winter]

I remember that theory. Actually had an argument with someone still trying to support evil-Asami after the non-reveal of her dad supporting Amon. This guy tried to portray Asami as a plant in Team Avatar to spy on them for Amon, her "betrayal" of her father being the act that earns their trust, and she would in turn betray Korra at the end. Problem with that theory was that there was no point in such a scheme, as Asami's dad already had the entirety of Team Avatar in custody and ready to ship to Amon. Why bother setting up a spy in the enemy camp when you've already won? If Asami really had been evil, all she had to do was accept her father's offer and watch Team Avatar get shipped away.

Personally, I think the evil-Asami theories were just an extension of the shipping wars, with Makorra/Zutara fans reaching for anything that would remove Asami from the equation.

There are still people saying that Asami will turn out to be evil but now it seems to just be a reoccurring joke then anything else. On a side note, a year or so ago I got into a bit of a long argument with someone who didn't like Asami and kept trying to paint her as a bad person and went on about how awesome Mako was, how he totally deserved Korra and how Asami was just a badly written character who added nothing to the series.

Now I have no real issue with fans of Mako or Makorra and have, in fact seen and spoken to a number of said fans and had polite and fun conversations in which we've been able to talk about our respective ships with no real issue. This person is the one that gives Mako and Makorra fans a bad name as it wasn't just enough that they liked Mako and Makorra better then Asami and Korrasami, everyone he didn't agree with them was wrong. It did lead to a number of funny moments as they attempted to "prove" how wrong I was in liking Asami and her relationship by altering and straight up ignoring facts in the actual show.

My favorite bit has to go to when we got around to Reunion and they attempted to paint Asami as abusive when she got angry at Korra when Korra questioned if Hiroshi could be trusted. Here is pretty much what they said, "Asami yelled at Korra while she was still recovering from a traumatic experience! You know who didn't yell at Korra, Mako!" And then I showed them the scene when Mako was blaming Korra for losing Wu even though it was 100% his fault and Korra and Asami were, at that very moment, working to fix his mistake.

This person's reaction to seeing actual evidence that Mako did, in fact, yell at Korra for something that was his fault? "Oh well Mako was having a hard time its understandable that he would get angry at Korra for something like that." Yes, Asami getting angry at Korra for questioning if rebuilding her relationship with her father, which is obviously something that means a great deal to Asami and comes with its own bundle of trauma, Asami is clearly in the wrong and doesn't care for Korra's feelings.

Mako yelling at Korra for losing Wu even though that was his fault, (direct quote from Mako in Reunion "Oh, so its my fault that Wu disappeared!"). Well Mako's only human he's allowed to get upset.

Again I want it to be noted that I have met a lot of nice and polite Mako and Makorra fans, its just that this person took the cake in their attempts to prove that their ship and character was better simply because it was their OTP!

Though it should be noted that originally Asami was going to turn out to be a traitor and everything from her running into Mako to the moment Team Avatar finding her fathers underground factory was all part of a elaborate trap. However, while writing the series Bryke came to like the person Asami was pretending to be and decided to scrap the idea and Asami was exactly who she seemed to be.

And as I said before Asamis' conflict with her father is the only major plot from Air that had any lasting consequences and her relationship with Korra turned into one of the most well rounded relationship in the series and Asami herself has left one of the biggest impacts on the world of Avatar. She rebuild Republic City from the ground up, helped design new suits for the Airbenders so they could fly without their gliders and helped save said city in the final battle with Kuvira.

Not bad for a character who was originally just supposed to be a spy.

[Wilahelm2]

I do wonder what would have happened if they decided to take Asami down the Zuko rout and have her be an Equalist and fight against Korra for awhile but decide to turn on her dad and join the good guys.

[Winter]

Not sure that would work as what made Asami turning on her dad when she did so awesome was she came to the conclusion based on who she was and what she knew to be right and wrong. Giving her Zuko's journey would have just made it Zuko's journey instead of it being her own thing. In the end Asami's story is about redeeming her family and finding a new one with both her friends and her relationship with Korra. Zuko's story was about self redemption and, like Asami, finding a new family on the grounds that the one he had, (uncle and lost mother not withstanding), were kinda, sorta, insane, and evil.

Asami saw right away that her father was in the wrong and that she would do everything in her power to stop him, rebuild what he destroyed and in the end worked to repair her relationship with her father once he proved that he was worthy of that of redemption. In contrast, it took seeing the harm his nation had caused, building up a friendship with the person he sought to capture, the wisdom of his uncle and the genuine love of Mai to see just what a horrible person and father Ozai was and that he would never gain the love that he sought.

It is interesting just how similar Asami and Zuko's stories are and yet still very different and really helps to show the strengths of both shows and what made The Legend of Korra work. Its like comparing Korra to Aang, yes there are a number of notable differences but in the end they are the same person who ultimately seek the same thing, fight evil, protect the ones they love and while still having time to have fun in this world.

On a side note what would you like to see in a TLOK film if they ever decided to make one?

[Wilahelm2]

If Korra's adventures were to continue I would prefer one more season to deal with the major elements left hanging from the series.

There needs to be some resolution with the Red Lotus since its clear that the organization still exists and is just in hiding. We also need to deal with the former Earth Kingdom lands. Having all the states and provinces go there own way is an idea that look good on paper but has a lot of potential to go south especially if the Red Lotus gets involved. The ideals of the RD are based on the real life ideas of Anarchism. In the early parts of the 20th century a lot of politicians were killed by anarchist. A story line where the RD starts assassinating the new leaders of the Earth Kingdom states causing thing to fall back into chaos would be an interesting test for Korra. We could see her be forced to make some of the same decisions Kuvira made during her unification.

It also has to be remembered that Kuvira was actually really popular in the Earth Kingdom. It would be interesting if a lot of the new states actually want her to be their leader and Korra and the others have to deal with letting her go or facing the Earth Kingdom falling back into chaos. This would be an interesting test of Korra and Asami's relationship because I think Korra would support letting Kuvira go(with some conditions) so she could help restore order and fight the Red Lotus. Asami would be against this since Kuvira killed her father just as they were reconciling and I she would very angry with Korra if she let Kuvira out. Korra would be faced with doing something that she believes is the right thing and will help restore balance but could cost her Asami.

There is also the issue of the spirits and the past Avatar spirits. The spirits of Aang, Roku, and the others are not gone just Korra's connection to them. A journey into the spirit world to reconnect with them would also be a good arc and doing so could lead to a better solution to the spirits then just letting them run wild. The whole lets leave the portals open and hope for the best was a solution then never sat right with me. Bringing down the barriers between the human and spirit world has done nothing bur cause trouble without any real benefit to the people of the world.

[Winter]

I personally would like to see a film trilogy that continues the story of the show, like The Wrath of Khan or Serenity. Bring back the cast and Bryke and come up with a plan. I would like to see some resolution to plot points the series left unanswered but mostly I would like to see things like Zaheer and Kuvira being given redemption arcs, with Zaheer dying in the first film while protecting Tenzin's kids and Kuvira coming into the sequel and living through the last two films but leaving to continue to repair the damaged she did to the world because for her, redemption is a never ending battle.

I would also keep the focus mainly on Korra, Asami, Tenzin and the main villain with Mako, Bolin, Jinora and Lin all playing secondary roles but still giving them their moment in the spot light like with Star Trek The Voyage Home. As for the villain, well to be silly for a moment but I would want Pain from Naruto, or at least a expy of him, to take on the role of main antagonist for the trilogy. Similar powers, namely having the ability to reanimated corpses that put a peace of his "soul" into them so he can control them and each have their own set of powers. Five bodies for the five elements, Water, Earth, Fire, Air and Energy/Spirit and all the original is able to do this because they themselves, (keeping the gender of the original ambiguous) are a Energy/Spirit Bender. As for their goal, something similar to Pain's, they seek to bring peace to the world by creating conflict though I'm not sure after that.

As for Korra and what her arc should be, well the other villains in the series challenge Korra by testing her on different levels. Amon sacred Korra and made her question if she was worthy of being the Avatar, Unalaq and Vaatu challenged her duty as the Bridge between Worlds. Zaheer made Korra wonder if the Avatar was even needed any more and Kuvira made Korra confront who she was to who she is now.

For this new villain I think they should push Korra into making choices that tests her relationship to her friends and loved ones. For example her choosing to work with her former adversaries, does she work with the man who hurt her and nearly ruined her life and give him the chance to redeem himself. And with Kuvira, does she give her a chance at redemption and have her work with them even though it will undoubtedly hurt Asami to work with the woman who murdered her father.

This is something we haven't really seen in the show and I think would be the next logical step for her character that allows us to see different side to these characters by putting them in a more emotional area that they are all unsure of. But in the end Zaheer redeems himself by saving Tenzin's kids and while Asami may never forgive Kuvira for what she did she is willing to put her trust in Korra as she has always done and will continue to do so.

As for the films themselves I would like to see this line up. First a political thriller as the villain manipulates two conflicting sides in the fire nation into a civil war with out heroes count in the middle as they attempt to stop their new enemy. The second film I would have be more like Indiana Jones as Team Avatar travel the world as they attempt to figure out who or what this new threat is by digging into the past. And the third being more like a war movie as both Team Avatar and their enemy have one final battle with fleets of airships, biplanes, navel ships and Korra fighting all five of the villains bodies while before finally confronting the original in the spirit world.

If done right I think this would make for a great set of films, what do you think?

[RobbyB1982]

I think that's probably what the comic books are for.

[Wilahelm2]

I think that's probably what the comic books are for.

Yeah but its nice to dream about what it would be like to see Avatar back on the screen, big or small.

As for movie ideas I say go big. Azula manages to find her way into the spirit world and find the tree of time. With some help from Vatuu she makes her way into the future but Aang, Zuko, and the others are fast on her heels after a warning from Yue. Cue flash of light and Aang and friends find themselves coming out of the spirit portal in Republic City. Korra and her friends show up and are stunned to find the living legends there looking almost like their statues.

Cue Azula showing up attacking and ripping Vatuu out of Korra and becoming the new Dark Avatar. After this she takes off and goes on a world wide rampage with out combined team of heroes racing after her. A lot of the drama comes from the interactions of characters past and future. Aang is not happy with a lot of the changes that have happened in the world. He is happy that there are new airbenders but when he sees how different the new Air Nation is compared to the old one he becomes very upset with them and Tenzin. He also is not happy with Korra when he finds out she just left the portals open and lost her connection to her past lives. For Korra and Tenzin seeing Aang be so disappointed in them leaves heart broken and depressed. Ironically the kids that Aang neglected as a parent, Kya and Bumi, he gets along fine with, especially Bumi.

Katara, natural born mother, gets along fine with her future children and tries to smooth things over. However she does not get along with Korra or Asami because of their relationship. The Water Tribes were always the most socially conservative of the four nations so have a negative view of same sex relationships. This leads Korra to start to have an almost crippling fear of how her parents and tribe will react to her new relationship. Having the past versions of Aang and Katara have such a negative view of her leads Korra to start backsliding. She starts to become short tempered and reckless not knowing how to deal with things. Only have Asami with her keeps Korra from jumping the rails.

In another irony Toph meets Lin and they get along great, the complete opposite of their actual relationship. Toph is proud as hell to have such a tough as nails daughter and loves her style of metal bending. Lin finally has the pride and approval of her mother like she always wanted. The fact that its her mothers younger self doesn't seem to matter to her. Toph is more critical of Su since she ends up agreeing with Kuvira that Su should have taken a more active role in restoring the Earth Kingdom.

Zuko gets along great with all of his descendants and spends a lot of time try to help the other deal with their issues. Sokka also ends up getting along with everyone. Turns out he was a really cool uncle so all of Aang and Katara's kids love him. He is also won over my Asami's skills as an engineer. On top of all that Azula is summoning more spirits into the real world through all the portals and takes control of them building a army of dark spirits for her to take over the world. Unlike with Unalaq, Azula is actually competent and really starts wrecking stuff. I'll even throw in some my old ideas and have Azula break out Zaheer and team up with the Red Lotus.

Everything starts going nuts and the United Republic, Fire Nation, Water Tribe, and Kuvira's forces team up to try to regain control. With armies fighting everywhere, Red Lotus terrorist strikes, and our heroes falling apart due to their own issues all looks lost. Its only after Aang and Korra go to the spirit world to help her reconnect with her past lives do the two overcome their own issues and the problems with each other. Having regained their balance the two Avatar's start to really work together to turn the tide, rebuild their strained relationships, and save the world.

[Winter]

Katara, natural born mother, gets along fine with her future children and tries to smooth things over. However she does not get along with Korra or Asami because of their relationship. The Water Tribes were always the most socially conservative of the four nations so have a negative view of same sex relationships. This leads Korra to start to have an almost crippling fear of how her parents and tribe will react to her new relationship. Having the past versions of Aang and Katara have such a negative view of her leads Korra to start backsliding. She starts to become short tempered and reckless not knowing how to deal with things. Only have Asami with her keeps Korra from jumping the rails.

I don't know about Katara having issue with Same Sex relationships as the Southern Water Tribe was more open to change which is in stark contrast to the Northern Water Tribe which is Very routed in tradition. Also I think Katara having issues like that would also be out of character given how more open she is, sure she can be controlling and even hold a grudge but she was always willing to except someone for who they are regardless of where they came from and what their past may have been. Katara was the second person to give Zuko a chance once she saw that he was not that different from her.

So for her to be against Korra having a relationship with someone of the same sex due to especially given that one of her children, Kya, is confirmed to be LGBT. Overall I hope that sexuality in the world of Avatar is similar to how sexuality is viewed in Thaddeus from Dragon Age. That there is no real stigma against it and it is only a issue in regards to situations like arranged marriage and even then it is alright to have lovers of the same gender so long as it doesn't interfere with the arranged marriage.

Given that this world has to deal with spirits from another world, a people who can command the elements of nature, along with one person who can control all the elements and has the power of a God and now has three portals that connect the physical world and the spirit world I don't think that homophobia would be that big of a deal in this world. Of course we won't know for sure until Turf Wars is released so until then.

Like the other ideas though, its kinda like DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths which is awesome but could be confusing to people who have never seen the series before. Still cool though.