Trump Lambasting Diverse Congress People

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Alright. Right. As I was saying, it's the alarm over the budding of a fascist regime.

I don't have an issue with that. I'd expect people will call that a slippery slope, but the facilities undoubtedly seem to be run at a subsistence level of operation for treatment standards. The hasty manner in which they were established and set into operation is contemptible for something that wasn't an imminent threat.

The arguments therefore surrounding semantics, the legal protection of even people breaking the law, seem overly dismissive of whether the facilities are humane or not, in favor of pwning liberals.
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CmdrKing wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:21 pmThose who study history know what these look like. We know the paths they take. And we hope we've learned how to disrupt them without the Only Proven Method to remove fascists from power.
But as you point out, there's only ONE WAY to remove fascists from power. You have to shoot them. That's a pretty big part of what makes them fascists. Can you name a single instance where fascists have given up power WITHOUT being shot?

Van Spronsen at least understood that much. If the fascists have reached the point where they're building death camps, then we're past the time for talk. Someone is going to get shot. Probably a LOT of people are going to get shot. It's time to water that tree.

Fortunately, we live in a country that makes that comparatively easy.
LittleRaven wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:37 amSo for the first 5 or so years of the camp's existence, it was mainly political prisoners and "subversives", and full overflow capacity arrived later. While the details are sketchy, we can't really confirm full on mass executions until the midpoint of the war, around 9 years into its existence.
Oh....so you're just pulling your standard rhetorical trick again.

"They're CONCENTRATION CAMPS!"

"Oh...well, not NAZI concentration camps. I mean, we're not slaughtering people. Yet. Probably. Maybe. But still...CONCENTRATION CAMPS!"

"They're INTERNMENT CAMPS!"

"Oh...well, I mean, they're not THOSE kinds of internment camps. Sure...we're not actually doing any of the things people think of when they think of internment camps. But...I mean, they are TECHNICALLY internment camps...so..."

"IT'S LIKE DACHAU!!!"

"Oh...well...not THAT Dachau. The one that EVERYONE thinks of when they hear the word Dachau. I mean the very start of Dachau, which is almost nothing like what people have associated with that word for the last 70 years, and it's not even REALLY like that, since THAT Dachau held political prisoners, which isn't really ICE's bag...but....look, it's not MY problem that literally nobody but me uses these words this way. DACHAU!!!"

And the Left wonders why it has such a hard time winning over the center.

Truly....tis a mystery. :?
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Your ability to take "this is progressing very smoothly along a timeline similar to early-days Dachau and we desperately need to acknowledge that and stop it NOW" and misread it as "TOTAL CONFUSION" is truly impressive.

Like, seriously. Your argument is "it's not a concentration camp until tens of thousands have died... therefore This Is Fine" means it's more important to let the camps remain than act swiftly to prevent hundreds or thousands of deaths!

Granted, having no idea how historic or literary parallels work is what I should have expected, yes.
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I find your attitude to be frankly disgraceful to those who actually suffered in those places.
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Learning nothing from their deaths and allowing history to repeat is disgraceful?

PS: their children and other descendants are pretty much on the same page I am- https://www.jweekly.com/2019/07/01/36-jewish-protesters-arrested-at-ice-detention-center-in-new-jersey/
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CmdrKing wrote: Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:42 pm Learning nothing from their deaths and allowing history to repeat is disgraceful?

PS: their children and other descendants are pretty much on the same page I am- https://www.jweekly.com/2019/07/01/36-jewish-protesters-arrested-at-ice-detention-center-in-new-jersey/
The fact that they aren't currently in those camps for speaking out against the government proves they are wrong.

US citizens of mexican decent are not in those camps proves it is not history repeating.
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You literally claiming tens of thousands of people are being executed in a situation nothing like the Holocaust is disgraceful.
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Yukaphile wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:25 am You literally claiming tens of thousands of people are being executed in a situation nothing like the Holocaust is disgraceful.
None of his posts state that.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:49 amNone of his posts state that.
He compared ICE facilities to DACHAU. Now I realize what HE means by Dachau is not what everyone else thinks of when they hear that word, but when you use language like that, you are at minimum IMPLYING that tens of thousands of people are on the verge of extermination.

But of course, in his case, he's not implying it, he's stating it. Tick tock.
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LittleRaven wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:19 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:49 amNone of his posts state that.
He compared ICE facilities to DACHAU. Now I realize what HE means by Dachau is not what everyone else thinks of when they hear that word, but when you use language like that, you are at minimum IMPLYING that tens of thousands of people are on the verge of extermination.

But of course, in his case, he's not implying it, he's stating it. Tick tock.
I'm speaking to what Yuka said explicitly.

King approached his point a bit nebulously, but Yuka is not on point at all there. Not one bit.
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