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Actarus wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:14 am Very excited about that show, but a little bummed out that it involves the Borg. I'm also surprised to see Seven of Nine. Or will it be Annika Hansen?

Oh and Data... My, does that thick layer of make up shows... Or is it CGI? But I could get used to it.

Who do you think is that young woman? Is she related to the Borg? Looks like it.
Looks good, but I'm weary of The Borg Crutch. They've restrained themselves on Discovery, but of course here's their chance to bring them out again.

I'm hoping the young woman is somehow connected to Lal.

As for Data, that looks like really bad makeup or bad de-aging CGI. I'm almost wondering if it's a partially-CG face with mocap. It's hard to tell, but it looks bad. Data was never that puffy (except maybe in Nemesis when he didn't look like himself), and the skin tone and eyes are too extreme. His mouth is all wrong, and it looks like his cheeks are stuffed with something.
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I wonder if it isn't actually Data but really B-4.

Or maybe a memory Picard is having of Data.
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Yes, it's technically B4, probably. Which would only explain the odd appearance from a production standpoint. ;) We were supposed to imagine that B4 and Data looked the way Dr. Soong created them (and as Spiner appeared at the beginning of TNG). Though I'm sure someone, somewhere, has written a fic that Data in Nemesis was experimenting with making himself look slightly aged (and not in the distinguished way he tried in All Good Things).

Or else it's a Holodeck simulation Picard runs out of guilt. But it would follow on from Nemesis better (supposing we want this) if he's interacting with B4.
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I'll give it this much: it looks far more like the Star Trek sequel that the old school fans wanted. And as an old school fan myself, I can confirm this to be true.

Let's hope this to be good and we can put the whole STD mess aside. A bit like stepping in dog poo really: it was unpleasant, it left you wondering as to the mentality of its owners, but something that can be cleaned off, discarded, and forgotten about.
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More Borg? Sigh... as long as the Queen doesn't show up, though, I could live with that.
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Like the first teaser, an effective trailer. It doesn't really jive with that rumor of a horrible test screening (not the most credible rumor, but still). I do have some hopes for this, but we'll see.
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Yukaphile wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:14 pm More Borg? Sigh... as long as the Queen doesn't show up, though, I could live with that.
While I like First Contact I have always thought that introducing Borg Queen was mistake. I always prefer Borg without anyone running thins as true hive mind. They were so much more threatening that way.
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Mecha82 wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:19 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:14 pm More Borg? Sigh... as long as the Queen doesn't show up, though, I could live with that.
While I like First Contact I have always thought that introducing Borg Queen was mistake. I always prefer Borg without anyone running thins as true hive mind. They were so much more threatening that way.
Maybe the brunette-kicking-ass-lady, who said "Do you know, who I am?" is a new Borg-Queen?

And I don't know, if the Borg-Queen was a mistake. She is always compared to a bee-queen and a beehive doesn't just beehive out of fun. It needs a purpose and that purpose is the bee-queen. Same for the Borg-Queen - the collective doesn't just do its thing out of fun, mostly because "fun is irrelevant". Every cube has its organizing "thing" via a vinculum, which transmits all ordered datastreams in the brain of the Borg-Queen, if I get this right.

I agree, that giving the borg a face is a bit on the disappointing or anti-climactic side story-telling-wise, I think if you'd apply nature to this situation, there'd be no other chance than introducing some sort of head.

I mean, sure the borg started as "there is this hive mind, flying around in its cube-shaped ships. You can't negotiate with them, you can't outrun them, if they have you on their radar, they will follow you, chanting "resistance is futuile", because it is". The first time you do that, it's cool. the second time, it's still cool, plus, when you introduce the borgs ability to basically take the most legendary Starship-Captain after Kirk and basically turn him into a an enemy soldier, it is making them extra-frightening.
then you bring in the fact, that you can disconnect drones from the hivemind, you add the moral ramifications of turning this possibility in a weapon, that could deal with the borg-menace in seconds.
So you have your boogie-man, the most frightening thing the boogie-man can do, you have the weak-point and more or less your exit-strategy.

So, were the borg more threatening, when they were pure hive-mind? LIke I said - in the first story, perhaps. But in the second story you introduce the fatal flaw.
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Can't involve the Romulans post-Countdown/ST2009 without adressing their connection with the Borg. At least I assume that the vast majority, if not all the knife-ears we see are actually Romulans, based on their cranial ridges. I'm looking forward to this, even though the Trailer doesn't really show what it might be all about. Quite a feat, compared to all Trailers nowadays just spoiling basically the entire plot, instead of just teasing it.
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Well that's peachy. No trailer for me.
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