Boris Johnson is the new British Prime Minister

[Riedquat]

I mean if you think that crippling the UK is worth it for the principle of it, more power to you. Though I can't say I know what that principle is as the UK is going to come out of this with less sovereignty that before as it will be subject to the regulations of the EU, and over a barrel when making other trade agreements, while having no say in either.

This absurd, completely over-the-top "we're all doomed without the EU to look after us!" rhetoric is one of the main reasons so many people have had it up to here with its supporters.

Doomed? Probably not. In a significantly worse position that you started? Yes. Your current trade agreements were negotiated with the full weight of the EU behind them, you will be in a significantly weaker position by default when making any new agreements. And that's assuming a deal is reached, because otherwise you will be over a barrel due to not producing enough food to feed yourselves and not producing key medicines, like insulin, domestically.

The problem is that you're painting highly unlikely worse-case scenarios there as something to be genuinely worried about - an approach that'll always lead you sticking with the status quo out of fear. So no, I don't think a significantly worse position is all that likely. It simply isn't in anyone's interests. The chance of no trade whatsoever even without a deal is zero.

[Draco Dracul]

I mean if you think that crippling the UK is worth it for the principle of it, more power to you. Though I can't say I know what that principle is as the UK is going to come out of this with less sovereignty that before as it will be subject to the regulations of the EU, and over a barrel when making other trade agreements, while having no say in either.

This absurd, completely over-the-top "we're all doomed without the EU to look after us!" rhetoric is one of the main reasons so many people have had it up to here with its supporters.

Doomed? Probably not. In a significantly worse position that you started? Yes. Your current trade agreements were negotiated with the full weight of the EU behind them, you will be in a significantly weaker position by default when making any new agreements. And that's assuming a deal is reached, because otherwise you will be over a barrel due to not producing enough food to feed yourselves and not producing key medicines, like insulin, domestically.

The problem is that you're painting highly unlikely worse-case scenarios there as something to be genuinely worried about - an approach that'll always lead you sticking with the status quo out of fear. So no, I don't think a significantly worse position is all that likely. It simply isn't in anyone's interests. The chance of no trade whatsoever even without a deal is zero.

It's in no one's best interest, but the best possible compromise has already been rejected, and DUP redlines make anything else other than no deal or withdraw Article 50 impossible without a general election.

[Karha of Honor]

Nigel Farage is the British Donald Trump (minus the billions of dollars).

Why? He is nothing like him.
Trump would not have the discipline to to stick with his project as an EP rep.

[Jonathan101]

Nigel Farage is the British Donald Trump (minus the billions of dollars).

Why? He is nothing like him.
Trump would not have the discipline to to stick with his project as an EP rep.

Well, neither man really matches Trump, but Farage is closer to Trump than Johnson, since Johnson has a genuine intellectual side and got to Eton and Oxford on scholarships, while Trump got to an Ivy League university through having a rich dad and gaming the system, and still got called the dumbest student by one of his teachers.

Farage also has more of a business background like Trump as he is a former stockbroker, while Johnson comes from journalism, and Farage once described himself as "quite ballsy, probably good on a platform, unafraid of the limelight, a bit noisy and good at selling things", which is a pretty solid description of Trump.

I wouldn't associate the word "discipline" with any of these three guys, and I definitely don't agree that Farage is "nothing like" Trump.

[Karha of Honor]

Nigel Farage is the British Donald Trump (minus the billions of dollars).

Why? He is nothing like him.
Trump would not have the discipline to to stick with his project as an EP rep.

Well, neither man really matches Trump, but Farage is closer to Trump than Johnson, since Johnson has a genuine intellectual side and got to Eton and Oxford on scholarships, while Trump got to an Ivy League university through having a rich dad and gaming the system, and still got called the dumbest student by one of his teachers.

Farage also has more of a business background like Trump as he is a former stockbroker, while Johnson comes from journalism, and Farage once described himself as "quite ballsy, probably good on a platform, unafraid of the limelight, a bit noisy and good at selling things", which is a pretty solid description of Trump.

I wouldn't associate the word "discipline" with any of these three guys, and I definitely don't agree that Farage is "nothing like" Trump.

Tump can only sell himself, his brand and went bankrupt multiple times. Unless it's his own branding Trump is not good at most business transactions.

There is a difference between Trump flirting with presidency every 4 years and Farage being an MEP for long years going from a joke to Mr. Brexit.

but Farage is closer to Trump than Johnson, since Johnson has a genuine intellectual side and got to Eton and Oxford on scholarships

How do you know if he cared about what he had to learn?

[Madner Kami]

Noone said they are one and the same. Geez.

[Karha of Honor]

Noone said they are one and the same. Geez.

I was not arguing against that position.

[Jonathan101]

but Farage is closer to Trump than Johnson, since Johnson has a genuine intellectual side and got to Eton and Oxford on scholarships

How do you know if he cared about what he had to learn?

If he didn't care he wouldn't have gotten his scholarships or attained a 2:1 (whereas Trump barely scraped by and doesn't want his grades to be public at all). He also wouldn't enjoy throwing in Latin phrases or Classical references in private, or writing historical non-fiction (of varying quality but still); he's got a side to him that's an intellectual show-off.

Basically, he's like Trump in the sense that he often seems to enjoy cutting corners and doing his hobbies than sticking out the serious administration of running a city or a country, but he's unlike Trump in that his particular hobbies and interests are less golf and sales and more word play and history. Almost as lazy, but not as dim.

Boris is more like a nerdier George W. Bush.

[Mecha82]

Funny thing is I am pretty sure that whole comparing Boris Johnson to Trump started just because they look little similar.

[Madner Kami]

Funny thing is I am pretty sure that whole comparing Boris Johnson to Trump started just because they look little similar.

That and the uncanny ability of both to promise the sky only to crash to ground hard, but still somehow come out not just surviving, but somehow being on top.