Kate Mulgrew calls Gene Roddenberry a misogynist

[Yukaphile]

Roddenberry was firmly rooted in old-fashioned views such as "I'm a man, I can't help it." He cheated like a dog against his first wife (my grandfather would NEVER do that) and then acts surprised when she leaves him. He then blames HER even though it's his own damned fault and would later say vile things like how "you can't trust women." Yet he still ogles them. So if you can't trust them, why are you still attracted to them? He'd make an excellent Red Piller or incel today.

[Yukaphile]

There's also the problems that he put women on TOS mainly to look at. Nothing will ever convince me that wasn't his mindset.

[Makeshift Python]

At least they’re more attractive than the Berman era’s women. I knew Trek changed when TNG started featuring old lady officers, which was never done on TOS.

[Yukaphile]

And... that's my point. Gene was a horny, perverted, objectifying bastard who loved openly sharing his perversions until begged to stop. Do people here REALLY need to hear something like that? Does anyone want me to describe in detail what I find so appealing about vore videos or vore fanart? NO YOU DO NOT. Because as bad as I can get, I try to have a bit more class than that.

[CmdrKing]

So if you can't trust them, why are you still attracted to them? He'd make an excellent Red Piller or incel today.

Naaah, nah. There's a performative helplessness to that whole scene that's just not in the character of someone like Roddenberry.
Now, writing his own PUA book for the grift, that'd totally be the modern Gene Roddenberry if he didn't luck out and break into TV again like in his original timeline.

[Yukaphile]

Still, he blames all women for that which he himself is to blame for. Real "class" act there. And most idiots with presentism on their side and the benefit of hindsight and our modern world with safety cushions like what the Feminists and civil rights activists gave us in the 1960s will insist he was "common" to most liberals back then when he most assuredly was not. Gene strikes me as conservative. My grandfather was pure-bred working man liberal, and he did not cheat around, and he thought the world of women, and could look on even a hooker with class.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Still, he blames all women for that which he himself is to blame for. Real "class" act there. And most idiots with presentism on their side and the benefit of hindsight and our modern world with safety cushions like what the Feminists and civil rights activists gave us in the 1960s will insist he was "common" to most liberals back then when he most assuredly was not. Gene strikes me as conservative. My grandfather was pure-bred working man liberal, and he did not cheat around, and he thought the world of women, and could look on even a hooker with class.

Yuka you are talking about a visionary, and his name was Gene Roddenberry. He foresaw what others could not see. The fact that Star Trek emerged at the same time is no accident. Roddenberry came into his own at exactly the time we recognised the value and possibility of material space travel.

[ChiggyvonRichthofen]

The average working man probably wasn't as leering and lascivious as Roddenberry, but I do think his attitude was par for the course within that kind of environment and power structure. And given that Harvey Weinstein was only publicly disgraced two years ago, it would be naive to say that it's an attitude of the distant past.

No doubt there were better men and worst men in his position. Inside Star Trek, for example, goes out of its way to contrast the guilt that Gene Coon (portrayed as a decent, hard-working man in the book) felt over a divorce with Roddenerry's selfish indifference in his affairs. But overall GR strikes me as typical.

[Yukaphile]

He lucked out is what happened. And he was hardly a "visionary" at all. He saw it as similar to a Western, and the more liberal aspects came from other people outside him. This has been well-documented. How do you not get that?

[Karha of Honor]

He lucked out is what happened. And he was hardly a "visionary" at all. He saw it as similar to a Western, and the more liberal aspects came from other people outside him. This has been well-documented. How do you not get that?

Anyone can have a decent concept in fiction.

You have to execute it...