The Federation winning before word of the invasion reached Coruscant was his best outcome. It gives him the sympathy vote and an easy diplomatic win right after (since they work for him), with the resulting mutual resentment setting up the Clone Wars. That's why he spent the first half of the movie trying to stop the Jedi and Padme from getting there. Talking Padme into calling for the vote (which he had fixed well in advance) was just winging it after his original plan to trigger it went up in smoke. He then sent them back with the full intent of getting them all killed and getting back to his original plan (and kidnapping the Jedi Chosen One to raise as a Sith), and lost his best agent in the process of utterly failing.MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:40 pmNo, TPM went perfectly according to plan, he never actually anted the Trade Federation to take over Naboo, that was a pretext. Them being defeated was always the preferable outcome for him.mathewgsmith wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:18 pm The prequels have an excellent story... when other people are writing it. The Darth Plagueis book, the Revenge of the Sith novelization (no, seriously), the two Clone Wars animated series...
Personally I think the best way to watch the prequels is to consider Palpatine the protagonist and laugh along with him at all the fools dancing to his tune. Especially Episode 1, which as far as his plots were concerned was a complete train wreck but somehow by sheer chance still fulfilled all of his objectives.
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If nothing else, I think it would be worth reviewing the sequel trilogy.
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Dear God, no.
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Considering how much that divides fandom that's bad idea. Besides do you want to kill me by having me defend those even harder than I already have since I actually like those.
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Hey, remember back when the prequels were the most divisive topic among Star Wars fans? Good times.
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I would be curious to know what SF Debris thinks of the sequels, and whether he falls into the camp that likes them or dislikes them, and why. As it is, its not really known how he feels about them. Unless he covered that in a bonus mini review that I didn't see or something. It wouldn't have to be super in depth like the Star Wars/George Lucas documentary he did. It could just be regular reviews. But that's just my opinion.
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One thing he could add that other people couldn't, his own ideas as to how the prequels should have been executed. Maybe someone should just request him to do a video on that alone or would that be too daunting a task?
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Honestly given the precedent of his review for Star Trek 09 (which was a big controversial movie at the time) my guess is he neither particularly likes or dislikes them.AuRon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:56 pm I would be curious to know what SF Debris thinks of the sequels, and whether he falls into the camp that likes them or dislikes them, and why. As it is, its not really known how he feels about them. Unless he covered that in a bonus mini review that I didn't see or something. It wouldn't have to be super in depth like the Star Wars/George Lucas documentary he did. It could just be regular reviews. But that's just my opinion.
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He mainly got what he anted as soon as Amidala called for the vote of no confidence, everything after that was just clean up. And he was clearly already planning to replace Maul with Dooku, Maul was sent there to die.mathewgsmith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:34 amThe Federation winning before word of the invasion reached Coruscant was his best outcome. It gives him the sympathy vote and an easy diplomatic win right after (since they work for him), with the resulting mutual resentment setting up the Clone Wars. That's why he spent the first half of the movie trying to stop the Jedi and Padme from getting there. Talking Padme into calling for the vote (which he had fixed well in advance) was just winging it after his original plan to trigger it went up in smoke. He then sent them back with the full intent of getting them all killed and getting back to his original plan (and kidnapping the Jedi Chosen One to raise as a Sith), and lost his best agent in the process of utterly failing.MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:40 pmNo, TPM went perfectly according to plan, he never actually anted the Trade Federation to take over Naboo, that was a pretext. Them being defeated was always the preferable outcome for him.mathewgsmith wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:18 pm The prequels have an excellent story... when other people are writing it. The Darth Plagueis book, the Revenge of the Sith novelization (no, seriously), the two Clone Wars animated series...
Personally I think the best way to watch the prequels is to consider Palpatine the protagonist and laugh along with him at all the fools dancing to his tune. Especially Episode 1, which as far as his plots were concerned was a complete train wreck but somehow by sheer chance still fulfilled all of his objectives.
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I'm going off the Darth Plagueis novel, which covers everything from thirty years before through TPM from the Sith perspective and is canon for both Legends and Disney (or at least the broad strokes). If you're doing movies-only then I agree your interpretation is perfectly reasonable.MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:46 amHe mainly got what he wanted as soon as Amidala called for the vote of no confidence, everything after that was just clean up. And he was clearly already planning to replace Maul with Dooku, Maul was sent there to die.mathewgsmith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:34 amThe Federation winning before word of the invasion reached Coruscant was his best outcome. It gives him the sympathy vote and an easy diplomatic win right after (since they work for him), with the resulting mutual resentment setting up the Clone Wars. That's why he spent the first half of the movie trying to stop the Jedi and Padme from getting there. Talking Padme into calling for the vote (which he had fixed well in advance) was just winging it after his original plan to trigger it went up in smoke. He then sent them back with the full intent of getting them all killed and getting back to his original plan (and kidnapping the Jedi Chosen One to raise as a Sith), and lost his best agent in the process of utterly failing.MithrandirOlorin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:40 pmNo, TPM went perfectly according to plan, he never actually anted the Trade Federation to take over Naboo, that was a pretext. Them being defeated was always the preferable outcome for him.mathewgsmith wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:18 pm The prequels have an excellent story... when other people are writing it. The Darth Plagueis book, the Revenge of the Sith novelization (no, seriously), the two Clone Wars animated series...
Personally I think the best way to watch the prequels is to consider Palpatine the protagonist and laugh along with him at all the fools dancing to his tune. Especially Episode 1, which as far as his plots were concerned was a complete train wreck but somehow by sheer chance still fulfilled all of his objectives.
If you haven't read it I recommend the audiobook, the performance is great and adds a lot to the experience. It's like Darth Plagueis is telling his story himself.
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