FaxModem1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:35 am
This is the same reason why Living ships in Scifi would have to fall under the same thing, a choice by the owners for the same reason that someone would want a car to be blue instead of red, purely for the appeal of it, not for any practical reason.
Yep, and a military always goes for practicality over functionality 100% of the time. You don't want your ships breaking out in the middle of the vast infinite of space... well... a REAL starfleet wouldn't. XD
It's why in WW1 everyone went for what was cheapest to produce and most reliable, over what was "best" Starfleet doesn't really need to worry about what's cheapest, but they damn sure should worry about what is reliable a lot more than they do.
Wasn't the only reason that 8472 was initially so effective against the Borg because they didn't really have any technology for the Borg to assimilate to their shield patterns?
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:44 pm
Wasn't the only reason that 8472 was initially so effective against the Borg because they didn't really have any technology for the Borg to assimilate to their shield patterns?
That, and their firepower seemed to utterly outclass the Borg in capability.
Then of course though you have the Martians and Brainiac from War of the Worlds and Superman (respectively speaking). It's their organic nature that sets them inferior to our heroes on Earth.
FaxModem1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:35 amHere's the main issue. The number of horses in the world skydived after World War 1. This was mostly due to the fact that automobiles, tanks, tractors, and other machines that horses did were done better by machines. At most, we have token amounts of horses nowadays used by ranchers, race courses, and the occasional hobbyist and horsebreeder. They are very much luxury items and the occasional fit, NOT standard items because cars are better. They don't need rest, don't get sick, don't have to be put down if one of their four limbs breaks, etc.
I'd like to add that whatever the actual population numbers were, horses remained important to militaries around the world until the end of WWII.
While the German army is popularly looked on as the most mechanized army in WWII, the Heer was in fact the most reliant army upon horses, especially for things like pulling artillery. Its something which highlights how chronically stretched German industrial capacity was to provide the gradual transition to mechanization everyone else was accomplishing well in advance of them.
FaxModem1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:35 am
This is the same reason why Living ships in Scifi would have to fall under the same thing, a choice by the owners for the same reason that someone would want a car to be blue instead of red, purely for the appeal of it, not for any practical reason.
Yep, and a military always goes for practicality over functionality 100% of the time. You don't want your ships breaking out in the middle of the vast infinite of space... well... a REAL starfleet wouldn't. XD
It's why in WW1 everyone went for what was cheapest to produce and most reliable, over what was "best" Starfleet doesn't really need to worry about what's cheapest, but they damn sure should worry about what is reliable a lot more than they do.
An old internet naval saying I've heard over the years, paraphrased, is: "It's better to have a rowboat with a machine gun on the bow NOW than the best warship money could buy entering service the day after the war ends".
Anyone ever hear of the Bradley? Or the plan in WWII to tie fire bombs to bats? Militaries don't always through money at the most practical things.
And to risk beating a dead horse (heh), I know that in 99 cases out of 100 it would be better to have some sort of motor vehicle instead of a horse, it does not change the facts that there are cases (police horses for crowd control, and rural areas) where they are better suited to the role. Sure, that's like 2 cases, but still. After all I never heard anyone complain before that in ESB the Rebels use mounted animals even though they have space ships.
Sure from what we see the gel packs in Voyager to tend to cause more problems than any possible benefit could justify. But the point I was trying to make was that the statement "Organic technology could catch a disease, so regular technology will always and forever be superior, in any and all possible situations" might not be accurate.
As it's presented in fiction, the benefits of organic technology are usually:
1) It can interface directly with the minds/bodies of the users.
2) So long as it's kept fed and healthy, it can heal itself when damaged, grow to greater size over time, and maybe even upgrade itself, all without having to send away for parts or special tools, or requiring your crew to spend loads of time working on construction.
Whether those apply in Voyager's case, I could not say.
clearspira wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:28 pm
There is nothing a horse can do that an all-terrain vehicle can't. And seemingly there is nothing that a bio-neural gel pack can do that an isolinier chip can't either.
Wasn't bio-neural gel pack supposed to be "faster, more efficient, and more capacity" then isolinear chip? It's like, they were supposed to be better then isolinear chip in every way except it can get sick and hard to replace.
Then the "horse/ATV" metaphor don't really fit because horse are not faster or stronger then ATV. Bio-neural gel pack vs isolinear chip should be something more powerful but less reliable vs something more reliable but less powerful.
