Is the backlash against Trump... overblown?

[Admiral X]

"bUt ObAmA dId iT tOoOooOo!!!!"

So? Obama was wrong then just as Trump is wrong now.

Except it never became a problem until Trump was President. Kind of like how Trump only became racist and sexist when he decided to run on the Republican ticket.

[Steve]

And as an aside, yes, obviously there is a spectrum between "Completely open borders" and "snatch children from their parents and toss them into cages". We can do better and arguably have the moral obligation to do so, especially when we apply our own morality to the situation, that is, our morality and principles as a nation.

Is sex trafficking of children just not a concern of yours at all then?

Okay, fucking seriously? You're going to reply to me with that kind of a loaded question? That's not honest debating, that's just being a dick.

For the record, of fucking course I care about child sex trafficking. You know what I also care about? Not throwing kids into cages. There are other means of holding children in custody while trying to sort out if they're with legitimate guardians or if they're victims of the sex trade. But to be brutally frank, I have zero faith in the administration on this subject to take these claims at face value given how they've conducted themselves. And I'm for a controlled border for Christ's sake, because being able to decide who goes over a national border is integral to being a fully sovereign nation-state!

[Admiral X]

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm try to see if you realize the reason children are being separated from adults. And last I knew, they were not being thrown into cages, unless you consider bunkhouses to be cages.

[Makeshift Python]

"bUt ObAmA dId iT tOoOooOo!!!!"

So? Obama was wrong then just as Trump is wrong now.

Except it never became a problem until Trump was President.

So, what's the big deal? It's not enough to criticize Trump that you want more people to acknowledge that Obama was a warmonger as well? He was then. Now the ball is in Trump's court and our focus is on him, not his predecessors.

I do worry about Biden getting the presidency as well though. He may not be as awful as Trump has been, but I don't see him backing off of unnecessary wars so it's all fucked.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Guys guys guys. Must we fight?

[Admiral X]

So, what's the big deal? It's not enough to criticize Trump that you want more people to acknowledge that Obama was a warmonger as well? He was then. Now the ball is in Trump's court and our focus is on him, not his predecessors.

No, I'm implying the "concern" here either isn't genuine, or is being guided, because it's awfully interesting that this and other immigration policies only became an issue after Trump became President.

I do worry about Biden getting the presidency as well though. He may not be as awful as Trump has been, but I don't see him backing off of unnecessary wars so it's all fucked.

At least you've noticed it doesn't really change all that much if a Democrat or a Republican are in charge. Maybe you should vote Libertarian next time.

[Makeshift Python]

Or better yet, change one of the parties systematically.

[Darth Wedgius]

"bUt ObAmA dId iT tOoOooOo!!!!"

So? Obama was wrong then just as Trump is wrong now.

Was Obama a white supremacist?

[Darth Wedgius]

Violent? Inhuman? Who said that?

A factual description of the required mindset at play. Preemptively confining people in squalid conditions for indefinite periods is inhuman. Such precautions are, at most permissible, afforded for those who are an immediate violent threat to those around them. So the presumption required to justify such conditions are that those being so contained are either not human or are violent immediate threats.

Otherwise: citation needed.

I see. This wasn't a straw-man argument after all, it was simply treating your opinion as fact.

You gave me a factual description of your opinion of the mindset required. I don't have to think someone is a violent criminal to confine them indefinitely in conditions that you consider squalid. I'm OK with that if I think they are a flight risk, and a lot of illegal immigrants (almost half) don't show up for their hearings.

[Admiral X]

Or better yet, change one of the parties systematically.

They both could use some change. It's sad that only the Libertarian Party has any respect for individual rights and neither of the big parties does. At best they pay lip service to them.