Nazis and the Nature of Evil

[Yukaphile]

How? It's my feeling. Once you've crossed that line, you should go celibate. Especially since most don't report and they don't have the nerve to turn themselves in.

[Jonathan101]

um, no, serial killers don't turn feelings of guilt into anger, they are incapable of feeling guilt in the first place.

You are thinking of psychopaths.

Not all serial killers are psychopaths, and most psychopaths are not serial killers. There are indeed serial killers who are capable of guilt and turn it into anger against their victims.

Also, there are "levels" of guilt and empathy that affect this, and different types of empathy.

Paranoid, Borderline and sociopathic people for instance are all capable of guilt in a limited sense, but they often find it uncomfortable and project it outward.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

How? It's my feeling. Once you've crossed that line, you should go celibate. Especially since most don't report and they don't have the nerve to turn themselves in.

And it's incredibly unfounded and not pertinent to the matter.

um, no, serial killers don't turn feelings of guilt into anger, they are incapable of feeling guilt in the first place.

You are thinking of psychopaths.

Not all serial killers are psychopaths, and most psychopaths are not serial killers. There are indeed serial killers who are capable of guilt and turn it into anger against their victims.

Also, there are "levels" of guilt and empathy that affect this, and different types of empathy.

Paranoid, Borderline and sociopathic people for instance are all capable of guilt in a limited sense, but they often find it uncomfortable and project it outward.

I think he is squarely trying to peg serial killers, and not people with a certain kind of psychological condition.

[Jonathan101]

I think he is squarely trying to peg serial killers, and not people with a certain kind of psychological condition.

Yes, but all of those personality disorders I've mentioned can be serial killers too, was my larger point.

[Yukaphile]

It's very telling in our society how serial killers are considered worse than the everyday criminal joe who molests and rapes his child, despite how common it is. I HATE that, and that they don't put in the hard work needed for true redemption, and if people found out, they would take his side! "Oh, that was a mistake, he's changed his ways, can't you let the past rest?" Tell that to his victims. They face permanent lifelong problems and despite even those who manage to recover, they never forget. It stays with them, that's how bad it is. It's truly the worst thing you can do to somebody. We all die. Murder is just speeding it up, unless there's torture involved. Sexual domination and violence doesn't happen to everyone, so that makes it a billion times worse when it does.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

I think he is squarely trying to peg serial killers, and not people with a certain kind of psychological condition.

Yes, but all of those personality disorders I've mentioned can be serial killers too, was my larger point.

every serial killer I've heard of is incapable of guilt or remorse. there's only one exception I can think of that seems genuine and not an act, Edmund Kemper.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think he is squarely trying to peg serial killers, and not people with a certain kind of psychological condition.

Yes, but all of those personality disorders I've mentioned can be serial killers too, was my larger point.

every serial killer I've heard of is incapable of guilt or remorse. there's only one exception I can think of that seems genuine and not an act, Edmund Kemper.

That kind of puts a chink in the armor of your whole theory here.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

I think he is squarely trying to peg serial killers, and not people with a certain kind of psychological condition.

Yes, but all of those personality disorders I've mentioned can be serial killers too, was my larger point.

every serial killer I've heard of is incapable of guilt or remorse. there's only one exception I can think of that seems genuine and not an act, Edmund Kemper.

That kind of puts a chink in the armor of your whole theory here.

like I said, it was just that one killer and maybe I am not totally convinced it was genuine there on second thought.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

also, thinking about it, I can accept that it can be about taking out anger at the world of their upbringing but it is just as much about them literally not being able to feel guilt or compassion.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think an underlying contention here was that morality is distinctly some compulsory system of behavior that one either has or does not. There's certainly people that respond to it in fashion that DBF has put forth, but it is not defined by such parameters.

Of course that's often not necessarily the precise construct that DBF is strongly trying to suggest intentionally, but that tends to be the sentiment that a lot of people regard for people that do horrible things, Hitler being the furthest thing from an exception. And I admittedly do have a hard time separating that from their take on the matter.