Did Voyager even have a series bible?

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Yukaphile wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:09 pm Should have made it Andromeda. The Federation bringing their ideals to the Delta Quadrant. And ironically, that would fit in line with what those people purport to as "Gene's vision" more than what they did.
So, wouldn't they have to retitle that STAR TREK COLONIALISM?
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Makeshift Python wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:39 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:09 pm Should have made it Andromeda. The Federation bringing their ideals to the Delta Quadrant. And ironically, that would fit in line with what those people purport to as "Gene's vision" more than what they did.
So, wouldn't they have to retitle that STAR TREK COLONIALISM?
Star Trek is a weird series when you think about its politics. It is based around an eternally-expanding Empire that is based around the idea of not exploiting others.
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That pretty much summarizes real life empires in general of a certain mindset.
"A culture's teachings - and more importantly, the nature of its people - achieve definition in conflict. They find themselves, or find themselves lacking."
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There was definitely some conflict on who Janeway was supposed to be and each writer had their own particular view of it that they just chose to write instead of going from script to script.

Jeri Taylor had the view of Captain Janeway as a messianic Moses for the Voyager who was going to be the strong and powerful paragon who would be the moral center of the show.

Braga allegedly wanted to do Janeway as a character who was in over her head and trying to overcompensate by being extra-hard on Starfleet because it's the only way to make sense of things but frequently wrong.

Moore had the idea of just making her the nurturing Team Mom which apparently Jeri Taylor just flat out hated as she felt it undermined the chararcter. Sort of a proto-Laura Roslin.

Mulgrew said she preferred Janeway as a stoic professional who kept her distance from the crew.
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You can tell easily once Braga took over that he was trying to shift Janeway a different direction starting with "Night", where she's a shut in for several weeks and second guessing decisions she made in the pilot that stranded them in the Delta Quadrant. It's awkward because this was the beginning of season five, when something like this should have happened way earlier in the run. But that's what Braga had wanted to do all along, to hell if it's way too late to do that kind of story for her.
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CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:47 pm
Makeshift Python wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:39 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:09 pm Should have made it Andromeda. The Federation bringing their ideals to the Delta Quadrant. And ironically, that would fit in line with what those people purport to as "Gene's vision" more than what they did.
So, wouldn't they have to retitle that STAR TREK COLONIALISM?
Star Trek is a weird series when you think about its politics. It is based around an eternally-expanding Empire that is based around the idea of not exploiting others.
Star Trek exists in a fictional universe where this (usually) isn't a contradiction.
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Deledrius wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:50 am
CharlesPhipps wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:47 pm
Makeshift Python wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:39 pm
Yukaphile wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:09 pm Should have made it Andromeda. The Federation bringing their ideals to the Delta Quadrant. And ironically, that would fit in line with what those people purport to as "Gene's vision" more than what they did.
So, wouldn't they have to retitle that STAR TREK COLONIALISM?
Star Trek is a weird series when you think about its politics. It is based around an eternally-expanding Empire that is based around the idea of not exploiting others.
Star Trek exists in a fictional universe where this (usually) isn't a contradiction.
It's a lot like how all those traders make a living (or need to) when replicators are a thing and the Federation is supposedly post-scarcity. Best not to question it.
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Deledrius wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 4:50 am Star Trek exists in a fictional universe where this (usually) isn't a contradiction.
I don't dislike it. I just enjoy pointing out the contradiction.
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mathewgsmith wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:07 am It's a lot like how all those traders make a living (or need to) when replicators are a thing and the Federation is supposedly post-scarcity. Best not to question it.
I kind of like that replication has its limitations. Of course, Trek has been contradictory of that. In the first season of TNG food replicators were said to not to be just good but even better than hand cooked. Then by the third season and forward they introduced the idea that replicated food was flawed and didn't taste as great, and that idea has stuck since.
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Makeshift Python wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:27 pm
mathewgsmith wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:07 am It's a lot like how all those traders make a living (or need to) when replicators are a thing and the Federation is supposedly post-scarcity. Best not to question it.
I kind of like that replication has its limitations. Of course, Trek has been contradictory of that. In the first season of TNG food replicators were said to not to be just good but even better than hand cooked. Then by the third season and forward they introduced the idea that replicated food was flawed and didn't taste as great, and that idea has stuck since.
DS9 was skeptical of a lot of Federation ideals. I think that replicated food would depend on the recipes inputted, the quality of the replicator, and what the preferences of the cook/skill of it is. My view as a good who worked in cooking is most people who prepare food will give just as much a shit as the replicator. :)
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