Short Treks - "Calypso"

[BunBun299]

If the Federation as we know it has not completely collapsed, then Discovery will be a relic incapable of competing with any space fairing power. Do you really think they will write a story where their ship and crew will not be special?

What makes you think that one ship needs to be capable of taking on an entire space-faring power on its own, anyway? I know Voyager tended to do that, but that doesn't mean that it's the only way to do things.

Perhaps they're going to take a stab at making the show that we all wished Voyager and Enterprise had been.

I don't need one ship capable of taking on whole fleets. Oh, it makes for cool, heroic action scenes when one ship is beating the odds, but there do need to be limits. My point is that in any logical universe, Discovery should be completely unable to do anything against any ship that exists 1000 years from now. Hell, Discovery going up against the Enterprise-E should be like an old Civil War Iron Sides trying to go into battle against a modern nuclear submarine. Add 900 more years of technological progress onto that. Factor in that we've already seen that casual time travel is a thing just a few centuries after. What is Discovery going to, besides get blow out of the sky?

[BunBun299]

I'm fine if the Federation has collapsed. Sure, one might see it as "pissing on your nostalgia" that Lucasfilm did, but honestly, governments rise and fall, and the Federation was hardly the perfect utopia people think it is. Hell, I'd be curious what kind of world that would be... now granted, those in charge could still be idiots, but there's many ways to achieve this. The Dominion, naturally, would be a logical choice. But, hey, I'm not against the Feds collapsing on principle.

Turning the second most iconic aliens in the franchise into poop monster, uniforms which are completely wrong for the era, technology which is completely wrong, giving Spock a never before mentioned sister, CBS is long past pissing on my nostalgia.

Maybe a good story could be written about the collapse of the Federation, but not by these bozos who think bad fanfiction is a suitable template for their protagonist, followed by having her commit mutiny.

[Deledrius]

This is seriously pathetic.

That's pretty harsh.

[Makeshift Python]

This is seriously pathetic.

That's pretty harsh.

It is what it is.

If the Federation as we know it has not completely collapsed, then Discovery will be a relic incapable of competing with any space fairing power. Do you really think they will write a story where their ship and crew will not be special?

What makes you think that one ship needs to be capable of taking on an entire space-faring power on its own, anyway? I know Voyager tended to do that, but that doesn't mean that it's the only way to do things.

Perhaps they're going to take a stab at making the show that we all wished Voyager and Enterprise had been.

I don't need one ship capable of taking on whole fleets. Oh, it makes for cool, heroic action scenes when one ship is beating the odds, but there do need to be limits. My point is that in any logical universe, Discovery should be completely unable to do anything against any ship that exists 1000 years from now. Hell, Discovery going up against the Enterprise-E should be like an old Civil War Iron Sides trying to go into battle against a modern nuclear submarine. Add 900 more years of technological progress onto that. Factor in that we've already seen that casual time travel is a thing just a few centuries after. What is Discovery going to, besides get blow out of the sky?

Setting it a thousand years is no guarantee that technological progress was nonstop to the point a possible existing Federation is ten times as advanced. Starships existed long before humanity stopped hiding in caves. Starfleet was still having 23rd century era ships in service, which showed how not obsolete they were.

For all we know tech development either stagnated or regressed, depending on the circumstances. I suspect that’s partly why they were thrown a thousand years into the future because nothing was truly established in that period.

[Mecha82]

For all we know tech development either stagnated or regressed, depending on the circumstances. I suspect that’s partly why they were thrown a thousand years into the future because nothing was truly established in that period.

That is highly possible. We have seen similar happening else were like in 40k were current tech of Imperium of Man is less advantaged than what they had over 10,000 years ago during The Great Crusade and Horus Heresy.

[Makeshift Python]

For all we know tech development either stagnated or regressed, depending on the circumstances. I suspect that’s partly why they were thrown a thousand years into the future because nothing was truly established in that period.

That is highly possible. We have seen similar happening else were like in 40k were current tech of Imperium of Man is less advantaged than what they had over 10,000 years ago during The Great Crusade and Horus Heresy.

And we've learned there used to be far more technologically advanced civilizations than the Federation at least thousands of years ago like the Tkon Empire, the Iconions, whoever built the Dyson sphere, etc, and none of that insanely advanced technology like having the ability to MOVE STARS seemed to have carried over onto the 23rd or 24th century for use with minor exceptions.

[Darth Wedgius]

Maybe some omega particles did their omega thing, warp drive no longer works, and the only ship with working FTL is the one with the spore drive.

[Makeshift Python]

And the spore drive is problematic because it's hurting life in another realm through its use, as well as being limited to being used by one person (Stamets).

[Salamon2]

Setting it a thousand years is no guarantee that technological progress was nonstop to the point a possible existing Federation is ten times as advanced. Starships existed long before humanity stopped hiding in caves. Starfleet was still having 23rd century era ships in service, which showed how not obsolete they were.

For all we know tech development either stagnated or regressed, depending on the circumstances. I suspect that’s partly why they were thrown a thousand years into the future because nothing was truly established in that period.

My theory is that New Eden has 1000 years in the future established itself as a separate human space faring power and doesn't like the Federation due to having been separated from Earth since WWIII and taken a different evolutionary tract from Earth. I would imagine they'd be Maqui-esque, and probably frequently at war with whatever has become of the Klingons and Romulans since New Eden is from the Beta Quadrant.

It would be a nice build off of what was established, as well as provide consequences for Burnham's mother's actions. That's my best guess though for why there's the Fedresh vs separatist humans. The separatist humans are the evolution of New Eden survivors who are now space capable.

Further I imagine the Fedresh as a Federation that has finally made peace/integrated with most of the rival powers might have grown "soft" and "lazy" so to speak and has "forgotten" how to deal with pre-"evolved" humans who lack the moral superiority of TNG era humans and beyond. Further they've become obsessed with the preservation of past culture that they've forgotten that the purpose is to... move forward (a commentary on fandom being thrown at it, not so subtly at the same time) and explore new realms of possibility.

It would jive with the overarching themes that Discovery has returned to in both seasons (in different ways): Our own worst enemies are ourselves and our own hangups, but if we choose to rise above them and be better, we can move mountains--though even so it will be a struggle.

[Makeshift Python]

It would be a nice build off of what was established, as well as provide consequences for Burnham's mother's actions.

You could also put it on Pike, who made the decision to provide a source of power to that church. A thousand years later they're basically religious space crusaders fighting "infidels".