The great 2020 election thread....

[Yukaphile]

Linear progress is a joke. And things will literally be the same in the next 100 years. And yes, I can admit there's a personal stake to it here. it is deeply important to me to at least once in my life see a woman run through the primaries and win the office chosen by the people the same as any male had done. But it doesn't dispute the fact history repeats, we fall back on the same patterns, and any meaningful change has to be symbolic to last past this century. Names fade, dates become irrelevant (like how December 7th was shoved aside for September 11th), but symbols last forever, to inspire and point the way.

Well, we're all hypocrites. Every human being alive. I can't escape that. Neither can you. And the system has failed us, but it's still the best alternative we have now. And it will get better in time, but we must ensure we walk the proper road paths along the way, to erect the right sign at the right time.

[Darth Wedgius]

Yukaphile, I know that the facts don't matter much to you compared to your emotional impressions, but just in case any of this matters...

In the U.S., statistically, women candidates get elected at very similar rates to male candidates. Yes, sexism is involved, but it works both ways -- some people will vote or otherwise support women candidates because they are women, though that applies more to liberals than conservatives, so conservative women and liberal men both get the short end of the stick. I'd much rather have Condoleezza Rice as POTUS than Trump, but the people who would have crawled through broken glass to vote for Hillary Clinton because she's a woman would not have crossed the street to vote for Dr. Rice. Overall, voters don't penalize women candidates in the U.S. Women tend to run for higher office less.

[Makeshift Python]

The Dems sure are working hard to guarantee moderates won't back them. I'm sure that'll work out well for them...

So anytime that a sitting president does something illegal that calls for impeachment, law shouldn't be practiced just because of political inconvenience?

[Yukaphile]

@Darth Wedgius Am I denying that? No. Some people would likewise vote for a sack of shit if it was a Democrat or a Republican. I just feel that women are going to reach the White House all wrong. Either have it handed to them by a man (like Biden) or that the system just gives it to them via chain of succession. And again, the first black president reached the White House on his own. No help from outside. Why shouldn't women get the same right? They deserve it! And yes, it is my dream to see a woman run on the primaries and win someday, that ultimate scream of female independence. Probably won't happen in my lifetime. And it's not like I want "any" woman because I've seen a few I disliked. Like what's her name from 2016? She's so irrelevant, I forgot it. Or, Tulsi Gabbard. Point being, it's not just "because they're a woman," but it should also be, "this should not just be handed to them because they're a woman, let women do it properly."

[CmdrKing]

I mean, not an infallible source but... https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/theres-a-better-case-for-a-top-2-than-a-top-3/

Liz Warren is doing *pretty good*, just sayin’

[Yukaphile]

I HOPE she wins, I won't lie. Or Harris. Or one of the other great women we got running. But after 2016, I don't trust anything or anyone, especially online, or anything official. It can all be faked. If Putin really was behind this, and his goal was to destabilize the system and make us lose faith, in my case, he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I mean, not an infallible source but... https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/theres-a-better-case-for-a-top-2-than-a-top-3/

Liz Warren is doing *pretty good*, just sayin’

Oh, so it's Liz now? :p

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Well, we're all hypocrites. Every human being alive. I can't escape that. Neither can you. And the system has failed us, but it's still the best alternative we have now. And it will get better in time, but we must ensure we walk the proper road paths along the way, to erect the right sign at the right time.

No you can't escape it, but you can write blank checks able to fund a large amount of nonsense as long as you find *something* to blame the *left* for not accomplishing yet that will be the *same for 100 years*

[Yukaphile]

A lot of my experience comes from people who victim-blame and refuse to see the nuance in the center. Same as those on the hard right. Like poparena. He'd probably literally call everybody who voted for Trump collectively guilty and think of them as women-beating and ethnic-hating monsters. I know many who HAVE that view. That is how THEY win! The forces of hatred and fear and suspicion and othering. You construct a strawman of the other side, and you end up hating that imagined strawman more than the actual person you have never met. I'd daresay huge populations of people right of center right now up to a certain degree of "rightness" are feeling discouraged, disappointed, and even let down by the system if not outright heartbroken, but they still continue to do what they believe, for various reasons. 60,000,000 people voted for Trump. The vast majority did NOT know the true man because his scandals were barely mentioned compared to 500 days of emails and the last-minute intervention from Comey that convinced everyone to give in to their confirmation bias. No, I don't hate everyone who voted for Trump unless they are literally people who wanna start a race war or want legalized sexual harassment, but they are very far and few in between.

[Darth Wedgius]

@Yukaphile but you did say that people aren't ready for a woman in power, and election results in the U.S. argue against that