Babylon 5: "Soul Mates"
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I guess I'd contend it's healthy too. I mean, "they will support one another in secret just out of barely tolerated disdain" is not healthy, period. Even for the Centauri.
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Re: Babylon 5: "Soul Mates"
Love's just a secondhand emotion
You either marry for money or companionship
Never Love
You either marry for money or companionship
Never Love
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Just... damn. Yes, it was that way in ancient times, but DAMN IT, it doesn't have to stay that way! I'd marry for love, period.
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Here ya go.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexEqualsLove
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexEqualsLove
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Re: Babylon 5: "Soul Mates"
Its not a crime for someone to NOT love you back even if you love them. Love is Selfless, It doesn't demand Love in return, It gives it freely. Its wonderful when that love is returned, but Love by itself is a one way Street
Marrying just cause you're in love is an unwise thing to do.
Sex = Love is an emotional immature stance, I've had enough Grudge I fucking hate you but Damn you fuck like a champ sex to tell you that
Marrying just cause you're in love is an unwise thing to do.
Sex = Love is an emotional immature stance, I've had enough Grudge I fucking hate you but Damn you fuck like a champ sex to tell you that
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Premarital and extramarital sex and existed in ancient times, dude.
Unwise? Yeah, take that cynical and sterile judgment elsewhere.
Not saying it is. But I think you're judging whole populations based on a view you have in your head, which is the wrong approach.
It's really disturbing you're trying to paint Londo's marriage to Timov as healthy somehow... granted, the myth of love and marriage we tell ourselves is at odds with reality, but even so, it's not impossible. I know. My maternal grandparents were that way.
Unwise? Yeah, take that cynical and sterile judgment elsewhere.
Not saying it is. But I think you're judging whole populations based on a view you have in your head, which is the wrong approach.
It's really disturbing you're trying to paint Londo's marriage to Timov as healthy somehow... granted, the myth of love and marriage we tell ourselves is at odds with reality, but even so, it's not impossible. I know. My maternal grandparents were that way.
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Re: Babylon 5: "Soul Mates"
In this case Lando had to choose one from three women whom he doesn't love and he chose one that is honest and straight forward over either of two that aren't. It was about choosing lesser of evils and to Lando regardless of her all other bad sides Timov's honesty and straight forwardness were those important qualities that Lando respects about her.
Then again when in Centauri society scheming and backstabbing are common place it must be nice to have some one close to you who has those qualities and can be trusted.
While political marriages might be thing of past in modern western society or at least rare those are still thing in some places of world so not all humanity has abandoned that practice. Just like raping those in conquered territory it's old practice that hasn't gone away completely.
Then again when in Centauri society scheming and backstabbing are common place it must be nice to have some one close to you who has those qualities and can be trusted.
While political marriages might be thing of past in modern western society or at least rare those are still thing in some places of world so not all humanity has abandoned that practice. Just like raping those in conquered territory it's old practice that hasn't gone away completely.
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Re: Babylon 5: "Soul Mates"
I don't recall saying anything about londo's marriageYukaphile wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:28 pm It's really disturbing you're trying to paint Londo's marriage to Timov as healthy somehow... granted, the myth of love and marriage we tell ourselves is at odds with reality, but even so, it's not impossible. I know. My maternal grandparents were that way.
Hell the Novels imply they did grow to have some affection for each other since she dies very shortly afterwards upon hearing of his death
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Well, somebody is forcing ME to marry somebody I dislike, I ain't doing it. I don't care what the consequences are. And yeah, I'm a romantic, in all senses of the word.
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Congratulations, you've just been disowned by your family and are completely cut off and cast out, if not locked away until you get with the program. That's how aristocratic society works. Londo notes to G'kar that he was never a child, he "had responsibilities ". That's why the two Centauri teenagers ran off to the only family they thought could help them in The War Prayer.
Londo, Vir, Timov, Cartagia, etc, were all raised in such a culture, and have been warped in one way or another by it. Think Game of Thrones level politics, where such marriages determines the strength of your family, and whether they can survive against other competing families, via alliance, merger, cashflow, etc. If you think being petulant about your upcoming wedding is wise, picture yourself as Tyrion being told to marry Sansa by Tywin. You don't want to do it, but you better or be prepared to live as an unskilled peasant or be ready to get knifed or poisoned to avoid any embarrassment falling on the family name.
