VOY - Concerning Flight

[CharlesPhipps]

Maybe Flint was bi.

Like Vandal Savage.

[Wolf359]

Is the outfit that Tuvok wears on the planet the same one he wore in the mirror universe?

And for someone who was so concerned with preventing the spread of their technology Janeway seems rather unconcerned with the other stuff that was taken after they get the computer core and mobile emitter back. Chakotay even lets a guy walk off the ship wearing a uniform and with other stuff!

Why does Voyager’s computer core look like an overweight Nomad? Only about 10 years before the Enterprise-D had computer cores so big that you could walk around inside them.

[FaxModem1]

Is the outfit that Tuvok wears on the planet the same one he wore in the mirror universe?

Yes. Clearly they have the same fashion sense, no matter the universe. And certainly nothing to do with the fact that it allows them to reuse a costume.

And for someone who was so concerned with preventing the spread of their technology Janeway seems rather unconcerned with the other stuff that was taken after they get the computer core and mobile emitter back. Chakotay even lets a guy walk off the ship wearing a uniform and with other stuff!

Uniforms they can replicate. And doing trade is something that they relaxed policy on over the years. Its also a difference in materials and persons. It's one thing to trade replicator tech to one faction of barbaric warlords over another and watch them become interstellar warlords just so you can cross their space. It's far more understandable to allow someone to keep some clothing you can make from said replicator in order to get your stuff back, or help a fleet of refugees with power generation after their civilization was destroyed by the Borg.

It's called nuance.

Why does Voyager’s computer core look like an overweight Nomad? Only about 10 years before the Enterprise-D had computer cores so big that you could walk around inside them.

Moore's law must also apply to the Federation in the 24th century. Hence why a computer program like the Doctor can be hosted in a full on holodeck facility, but technology a few centuries later can be mistaken for an odd broach he wears on his shoulder.

[Kendrakirai]

What surprises me more is that Voyagers computers store so much *useless information*. Why would it have all of that information about Janeway’s ancestors in 11:59?

For the computers size, I’m a bit less surprised, as the Enterprise’s cores were built more than ten years prior to Voyager, and they had Borg technology to study for later cores. Borg data nodes store rather a lot of information, and even if they can’t access the data, studying the structure and materials will go a long way.

[FaxModem1]

What surprises me more is that Voyagers computers store so much *useless information*. Why would it have all of that information about Janeway’s ancestors in 11:59?

*Shrugs*

Best guess, Starfleet is very diverse, and ventures into the unknown all the time. So that means needing to have a lot of information on all sorts of topics, for their various needs, desires, etc. What if your chief engineer is an Aenar subclass of Andorian, and your doctor needs information on any medical data about the difference in Aenar telepathy versus Vulcan telepathy regarding dealing with some weird thing they encountered that week?

What if they run into time travelling invaders trying to sabotage the Federation? I imagine that Starfleet made databases on the past a standard feature due to having Mark Twain on the Enterprise and not knowing why his pocket watch was next to Data's head for 500 years. Time travelling invaders coming to Earth more than once would make you want to equip everyone with as much data as possible in case something like that happens again.

Just imagine if the temporal cold war affected the events of 11:59. Some alien stops Shannon from meeting Henry Janeway. By making sure the American space program fails because a big company couldn't get all the signers of the town to sign on a Millennium Gate, delaying them enough to affect their stock share for that quarter, thereby making that company pursue more corrupt politicians via lobbying, destroying the economy, and making Sanctuary Districts decades early. This avoids World War 3 because Gabriel Bell isn't there to make the Bell Riots, meaning no US reform to fight the Eastern Coalition, so no First Contact, meaning no Federation.

Hell, just a couple years before 11:59, they had to deal with another temporal problem, involving the history of 1990s, silicon valley technology, the militias of the American southwest, hippies, homeless, and satellite communications. And Paris, their expert on the era, couldn't remember that the KGB didn't exist in the 1990s.

Spock and Kirk had to return a jet pilot because historical records showed that he would father an important historical figure a few years down the road.

When it comes to that sort of craziness, I'd rather have more information about what happened in the era I'm going to than less.

[Kendrakirai]

This is all excellent points, but the sheer amount of information is just *overwhelming*, and yet they can pull up records from the early 2000s on any subject, when we can’t even do that with most websites, even *with* the wayback machine. It’s just not feasible to keep *everything*, yet that’s what the main computers do, and they seem to sync between them all so they know whatever any of the others do.

Except when they don’t, and the computer needs to be scanned and downloaded.

[FaxModem1]

This is all excellent points, but the sheer amount of information is just *overwhelming*, and yet they can pull up records from the early 2000s on any subject, when we can’t even do that with most websites, even *with* the wayback machine. It’s just not feasible to keep *everything*, yet that’s what the main computers do, and they seem to sync between them all so they know whatever any of the others do.

Except when they don’t, and the computer needs to be scanned and downloaded.

To be fair, you're also talking about 370 years from now. I would be disappointed if computers from that era couldn't keep the Library of Congress stored on a single hard drive.

[Kendrakirai]

There’s a difference between the library of Congress and *the entirety of human knowledge, as well as that of that of hundreds of other species*.

Hell, remember the first time Voyager got dicked around by a wormhole? With the Romulan? They somehow knew that *this particular* mid level random scout captain died some time before they left because it was in their computers. Recall, this was before the Romulans joined in against the Dominion, so they’d have no reason to have ANY Romulan records onboard Voyager, let alone death certificates of *spy ship crew*.

[Beastro]

There’s a difference between the library of Congress and *the entirety of human knowledge, as well as that of that of hundreds of other species*.

Hell, remember the first time Voyager got dicked around by a wormhole? With the Romulan? They somehow knew that *this particular* mid level random scout captain died some time before they left because it was in their computers. Recall, this was before the Romulans joined in against the Dominion, so they’d have no reason to have ANY Romulan records onboard Voyager, let alone death certificates of *spy ship crew*.

My immediate reaction is that an exploration ship has no place having all that information on it, if only because of the massive security problem that would come with it.

Take out a Federation and salvage what information you can, and even getting a few percentages of recovered data would be a windfall. An exploration ship goes out to bring more information back, but I wouldn't put it past the Fed to think the more information they can share the better given ultimately their "Political" Liberal (like Political Realism) viewpoint.

[CrypticMirror]

There’s a difference between the library of Congress and *the entirety of human knowledge, as well as that of that of hundreds of other species*.

Hell, remember the first time Voyager got dicked around by a wormhole? With the Romulan? They somehow knew that *this particular* mid level random scout captain died some time before they left because it was in their computers. Recall, this was before the Romulans joined in against the Dominion, so they’d have no reason to have ANY Romulan records onboard Voyager, let alone death certificates of *spy ship crew*.

My immediate reaction is that an exploration ship has no place having all that information on it, if only because of the massive security problem that would come with it.

Take out a Federation and salvage what information you can, and even getting a few percentages of recovered data would be a windfall. An exploration ship goes out to bring more information back, but I wouldn't put it past the Fed to think the more information they can share the better given ultimately their "Political" Liberal (like Political Realism) viewpoint.

The more information you share, the less chance for misunderstandings and conflict to occur. We should all share information more, and be less territorial.