DS9 - The Wire

[Deledrius]

Beyond that, a big part of Bashir's character growth is that he stops hitting on Dax at every opportunity. When she meets her boyfriend on the disappearing planet he doesn't show any signs of jealousy and is happy for her. There's basically no sign that he's still interested by the time Worf joins the cast, so perhaps he'd matured to the point that he'd decided all his feelings for her were superficial. It's strongly implied that his feeling were superficial in the early episodes since she pointed out that he kept making eyes at other pretty women on the station.

So Bashir spends the next few years showing basically zero signs of jealousy or even interest in Dax up until the end of Season 6, where they decided, once Jadzia started trying to get pregnant, that Bashir was still holding a torch for her. It seemed to undermine his character arc: Remember Starship Down, when they're trapped in an isolated part of the ship with failing life support and cuddling for warmth? The whole point of that scene was that he'd grown out of his infatuation and was just acting as a friend and comrade instead of making romantic overtones.

So in short, I do hate that he was essentially retconned in a way that undermined what seemed like character growth on his part.

I agree. It felt to me like back-pedaling him and their friendship. Fortunately it's so near to the end that it almost doesn't matter.

Being charitable here, K'ehleyr did not self identify as Klingon in a cultural sense. A lot of her interactions with Worf were basically "stop acting like I'm a Klingon woman, dude". She identified mostly with her humanside, especially culturally. So Worf is just admitting that.

That was my thinking as well. It may not have been fully intentional, but it does work with what we know.

[CrypticMirror]

Being charitable here, K'ehleyr did not self identify as Klingon in a cultural sense. A lot of her interactions with Worf were basically "stop acting like I'm a Klingon woman, dude". She identified mostly with her humanside, especially culturally. So Worf is just admitting that.

That was my thinking as well. It may not have been fully intentional, but it does work with what we know.

Yeah. I mean, I know they did tend to forget Alexander existed for seasons at a time, but surely they weren't that bad at continuity in DS9; and Dorn knew his character inside out, and had enough of the big name status on the show, so I'm sure he would have said something if it wasn't at least mentioned to him as background motivation even if it never made it to explicit onscreen mentions. That is what I am going to go with, whether that is being charitable or just wilful delusion on my part is left up to others to decide here.

[bronnt]

Yeah. I mean, I know they did tend to forget Alexander existed for seasons at a time, but surely they weren't that bad at continuity in DS9; and Dorn knew his character inside out, and had enough of the big name status on the show, so I'm sure he would have said something if it wasn't at least mentioned to him as background motivation even if it never made it to explicit onscreen mentions. That is what I am going to go with, whether that is being charitable or just wilful delusion on my part is left up to others to decide here.

I don't know. It does seem to me like they had Worf forced upon them and had very little idea what to do with his character. They did create a bit of a character arc for him, but it feels largely surface level.

For instance, who are his friends on DS9? He's shown that he dislikes socializing even with Chief O'Brien, enough that he chooses to live alone on the Defiant. That's a far cry from where he started at on the Enterprise, where he was in a weekly poker game and on friendly terms with the entire main cast.

He does marry Jadzia, but then she's killed off and he really seems like a complete loner during the seventh season. Even with Jadzia, their characters were so different it was sometimes hard to figure out what they saw in each other, making the whole relationship feel forced. They threw in that Alexander episode as if to apologize for having forgotten about Alexander, but it's practically character assassination on Worf since it ignores his entire TNG arc with his son.

This is something that's occurred to me recently in my rewatch of DS9. As good as they generally were about character development, they didn't really do a good job with Worf.

[clearspira]

Yeah. I mean, I know they did tend to forget Alexander existed for seasons at a time, but surely they weren't that bad at continuity in DS9; and Dorn knew his character inside out, and had enough of the big name status on the show, so I'm sure he would have said something if it wasn't at least mentioned to him as background motivation even if it never made it to explicit onscreen mentions. That is what I am going to go with, whether that is being charitable or just wilful delusion on my part is left up to others to decide here.

I don't know. It does seem to me like they had Worf forced upon them and had very little idea what to do with his character. They did create a bit of a character arc for him, but it feels largely surface level.

For instance, who are his friends on DS9? He's shown that he dislikes socializing even with Chief O'Brien, enough that he chooses to live alone on the Defiant. That's a far cry from where he started at on the Enterprise, where he was in a weekly poker game and on friendly terms with the entire main cast.

He does marry Jadzia, but then she's killed off and he really seems like a complete loner during the seventh season. Even with Jadzia, their characters were so different it was sometimes hard to figure out what they saw in each other, making the whole relationship feel forced. They threw in that Alexander episode as if to apologize for having forgotten about Alexander, but it's practically character assassination on Worf since it ignores his entire TNG arc with his son.

This is something that's occurred to me recently in my rewatch of DS9. As good as they generally were about character development, they didn't really do a good job with Worf.

I think Jadzia had a Klingon fetish thanks to Curzon.

[sayla0079]

I think the klingon fetish was a Jadzia/Curozon thing notice when Ezri shows up (and gets her head straight) shes the exact opposite on Klingon stuff compared to those two