Obama goes Right Wing!

[LittleRaven]

Calls out left twitter.

This is because Obama has done something that Left Twitter never has - he's won a national election.

Like most political extremists, Leftists in the US are very loud online and thus have a distinct tendency to start drinking their own Kool-Aid and believe that they represent some kind of significant voting block - which is not the case most of the time and is really not the case when it comes to Presidential elections. Warren is already going to have a very hard time winning Pennsylvania and Florida. If she chains herself to the far left in order to win the primary, then she's almost certainly going to sink in the general.

Of course, it's normal to veer outward for the primary and then turn towards the center once you secure the nomination, but you do have to be careful about over-extending. Unless you're Trump, of course, but there's only one of those.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

but you do have to be careful about over-extending. Unless you're Trump, of course, but there's only one of those.

Well 2016 was a special case of the most establishment candidate ever vs the most antiestablishment candidate ever as far as one single general election is concerned.

[CmdrKing]

This is because Obama has done something that Left Twitter never has - he's won a national election.

Well yes, twitter hasn't really run any candidates. I mean, we'll see some 2028 of course.

It'd be kinda embarrassing for the president if there was some prior candidate that ran and won on rhetoric about fulfilling the promises of equity, opportunity, and the idea that big goals we as a nation set for ourselves were something that could be achieved. Perhaps with catchy slogans like Hope, Change, and Yes We Can.

Oh yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fZHou18Cdk

[LittleRaven]

It'd be kinda embarrassing for the president if there was some prior candidate that ran and won on rhetoric about fulfilling the promises of equity, opportunity, and the idea that big goals we as a nation set for ourselves were something that could be achieved. Perhaps with catchy slogans like Hope, Change, and Yes We Can.

Exactly. You'd think the Left would be all over Obama - at least his campaign technique if not his governing results, but he's not very popular on Breadtube.

[Mecha82]

Calls out left twitter.

This is because Obama has done something that Left Twitter never has - he's won a national election.

Ýou do realise that just not anyone can run for president in US? To be even accepted to run you need lot of money. Which is why legalized form of corruption that is campaign donations are problem. So whole system has been stacked to favor richest 1% and big corporations that are easily able to give money to canditates that then actually work for them instead of voters. Only reason why Trump didn't need those is because he is already part of that richest 1%.

[CmdrKing]

Exactly. You'd think the Left would be all over Obama - at least his campaign technique if not his governing results, but he's not very popular on Breadtube.

Gosh you're using Breadtube as the benchmark for "radicals". Oh dear.

*cough*

The point is 2019 Obama is arguing against [2008 Obama. The one that won a national election. What's changed in online discourse, aside from Twitter being an eternally raging fire, is the current political makeup is elder millennials with an undercurrent of just-voting-aged Gen Z folk, who see Obama's legacy not as some grand testament to Clintonian 3rd way politics, but as an indictment of not backing progressive, bold goals in electioneering with meaningful pathways to get there. Its why you see people trend more closely to Warren than Sanders: where there is daylight in their politics, Warren favors more concrete step-oriented policies, and where there is daylight in their appeal, it's that Warren is more thoughtful of deliberate inclusion. She's bringing an Updated Obama vibe in a way Sanders is not (and a way that all other candidates cannot since they're all 2019 Obama, not 2008 Obama.)

[LittleRaven]

Ýou do realise that just not anyone can run for president in US? To be even accepted to run you need lot of money. Which is why legalized form of corruption that is campaign donations are problem. So whole system has been stacked to favor richest 1% and big corporations that are easily able to give money to canditates that then actually work for them instead of voters.

This is largely true. The genius of Obama was knowing how to work the system rather than simply rage impotently against it.

Only reason why Trump didn't need those is because he is already part of that richest 1%.

This is not remotely true. You actually think Trump would spend his own money on a campaign? Please. That's not how he rolls. He's managed to get the Republican Party to pay for everything, and shows no sign of stopping. Grifters gotta grift.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Obama was leaving office by the time breadtube became a thing. He's not much of a liability as he's mainly been pretty quiet despite these last couple of affirmations regarding social political discourse.

[LittleRaven]

The point is 2019 Obama is arguing against [2008 Obama.

I don't think so. Look at what you remember from 2008 Obama - "Hope and Change" and "Yes we can" not "Medicare for all" and "Dismantle ICE." 2008 Obama was big on wide flowery rhetoric and very very light on promises to upend the apple cart, especially on immigration, because he knew those were traps. Obama has not become a fundamentally different person in the last 11 years, he is the same politician that he ever was. He simply knows that politics is the art of the possible, and nothing is possible if you can't get elected.

She's bringing an Updated Obama vibe in a way Sanders is not (and a way that all other candidates cannot since they're all 2019 Obama, not 2008 Obama.)

I'm a fan of Warren, but I fear she has her work cut out for her. Obama won Pennsylvania by 10 points back in 2008. The most recent polling that I've seen generally has Warren losing that state to Trump by a hair. Now that's super close and it's super early and there are all kinds of wild cards that can drop before now and then, but considering that Trump is doing everything he can to make himself look like a raging dumpster fire, I'd really like to see her poll better.

[Darth Wedgius]

Obama has moved right because he seems less radical now than in 2008? Whether to laugh or sigh?

If Obama's positions have not changed, then Obama hasn't moved to the right. He didn't leave the left; the left left him.