2019 Christmas show

[CrypticMirror]

The Christmas day review specials?

Every 0 episode of Trek has been on Christmas day. As was Who. And Stargate.

What about worst of new who?

That is season two Capaldi and still counting, with every new episode reaching ever deeper depths of badness. It is at the point, and I never thought I'd say this as someone who even loves Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy's stuff, where I think the show needs a full on hard reboot to recover. Too many bad decisions hammered too deeply into the show's canon now. It is past the point of no return. It is like when IDW introduced Visionaries into its Transformers comics and had to do a total restart because it drove away so many readers and just ruined the whole set up of the comic, that is where NuWho is now.

[Deledrius]

That is season two Capaldi and still counting, with every new episode reaching ever deeper depths of badness. It is at the point, and I never thought I'd say this as someone who even loves Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy's stuff, where I think the show needs a full on hard reboot to recover. Too many bad decisions hammered too deeply into the show's canon now. It is past the point of no return.

I really can't disagree. What do you feel is/are the cause(s)? I know I have a lot of gripes about the anti-intellectual & misogynistic themes under Steven "Clever Boy" Moffat, so there's a lot of damage done there. Is it mostly that for you, too, or something else?

[CrypticMirror]

That is season two Capaldi and still counting, with every new episode reaching ever deeper depths of badness. It is at the point, and I never thought I'd say this as someone who even loves Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy's stuff, where I think the show needs a full on hard reboot to recover. Too many bad decisions hammered too deeply into the show's canon now. It is past the point of no return.

I really can't disagree. What do you feel is/are the cause(s)? I know I have a lot of gripes about the anti-intellectual & misogynistic themes under Steven "Clever Boy" Moffat, so there's a lot of damage done there. Is it mostly that for you, too, or something else?

I don't like the cross gender regeneration thing. I think Moffat has become sloppy in his writing on top of that, with him writing a cool couple of scenes first then trying to link them up in increasingly slapdash ways, but if I'm honest, it is the cross gender regenerations. It isn't how I enjoy the characters, and it requires me expend the degree of mental effort to change that view which I reserve for actual people not fiction. Plus the way Moffat has gone about it seems kinda prurient even on its own, it was well known that in the 80s and 90s he was a rule 63 fetishist in the fan community. I do not enjoy his literal wank material becoming canon.

Plus Danny... Ugh. Squaddies become gym teachers when they leave the army. And they don't do well at that. That is just how it is. See the angry survivalist guy from Survival, for an ex squaddie done right.

Although I did like the idea of the moon being a giant egg. That is the kind of 70s Science Fiction mysticism, Age of Aquarius weirdness I love. Just the execution of the idea in that episode was shite. Mind you, no as shite as thon wan wae the trees everywhur o'ernicht.

[clearspira]

That is season two Capaldi and still counting, with every new episode reaching ever deeper depths of badness. It is at the point, and I never thought I'd say this as someone who even loves Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy's stuff, where I think the show needs a full on hard reboot to recover. Too many bad decisions hammered too deeply into the show's canon now. It is past the point of no return.

I really can't disagree. What do you feel is/are the cause(s)? I know I have a lot of gripes about the anti-intellectual & misogynistic themes under Steven "Clever Boy" Moffat, so there's a lot of damage done there. Is it mostly that for you, too, or something else?

So I stopped watching Dr Who by this point (because it sucks) but I got to ask what you thought was misogynistic about the show as when I left it was a paragon of BBC lefty programming. Gay characters, gay romances, mixed race cast, the Doctor finding women who can match him everywhere, his female companions gaining the limelight to the point of overshadowing him. Even his greatest enemy the Master, a man once so GENUINELY misogynistic that he beat his wife, now becoming a woman himself and loving it (and on a sidenote, if the show had balls then Missy would have referenced that bullshit but I guess we are just meant to laugh and move on).

[clearspira]

That is season two Capaldi and still counting, with every new episode reaching ever deeper depths of badness. It is at the point, and I never thought I'd say this as someone who even loves Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy's stuff, where I think the show needs a full on hard reboot to recover. Too many bad decisions hammered too deeply into the show's canon now. It is past the point of no return.

I really can't disagree. What do you feel is/are the cause(s)? I know I have a lot of gripes about the anti-intellectual & misogynistic themes under Steven "Clever Boy" Moffat, so there's a lot of damage done there. Is it mostly that for you, too, or something else?

I don't like the cross gender regeneration thing. I think Moffat has become sloppy in his writing on top of that, with him writing a cool couple of scenes first then trying to link them up in increasingly slapdash ways, but if I'm honest, it is the cross gender regenerations. It isn't how I enjoy the characters, and it requires me expend the degree of mental effort to change that view which I reserve for actual people not fiction. Plus the way Moffat has gone about it seems kinda prurient even on its own, it was well known that in the 80s and 90s he was a rule 63 fetishist in the fan community. I do not enjoy his literal wank material becoming canon.

As I have said before on here, if they had a single reason beyond ''because its [[current year]]'' for changing the Doctor's sex then I would probably be able to get over it. But lets be honest here: you can take any story from the female Doctor era and plonk it a few seasons before and you would not be able to tell the difference. Just change a few names and a few lines and it's the same script. Ultimately they did not know what they were doing and thus did nothing with it. And judging from this trailer, still aren't doing anything original. Same tired old returning villains, same tired old plots.

And am I the only one that thinks that if you are going to change his sex, then you might as well have gone the whole way and changed his race too? A white man travelling through the patriarchal and white-centric history of the West is quite different to a black woman doing the same. Suddenly we have a different show with *gasp* different plots. But we can't really have that now can we? Better to have a good looking blonde white woman that we can claim is somehow making a strive for inclusivity because she wears a rainbow jumper

[Mecha82]

While I admit that I like Jodie Whitaker as Doctor I also admit that they could had done it better. That said to me that's secondary compared everything else. My one complain about season 11 was that stories could had been better so if season 12 fixes that I am more than happy.

I do find it funny how first there were complains about season 11 that there weren't any familiar villains and now I see clearspira complaining about season 12 having those. I guess it's true that some people are never happy with anything new.

[clearspira]

While I admit that I like Jodie Whitaker as Doctor I also admit that they could had done it better. That said to me that's secondary compared everything else. My one complain about season 11 was that stories could had been better so if season 12 fixes that I am more than happy.

I do find it funny how first there were complains about season 11 that there weren't any familiar villains and now I see clearspira complaining about season 12 having those. I guess it's true that some people are never happy with anything new.

I can promise that it wasn't me complaining about original villains.

[Makeshift Python]

The Christmas day review specials?

Every 0 episode of Trek has been on Christmas day. As was Who. And Stargate.

Pretty much. Last year was INTO DARKNESS for the movie series. Pretty much all of the Trek series was covered except DISCO, which I assume Chuck would wait until the series finished in order to pick out the very worst.

[Sir Will]

No, Doctor Who does not need to be rebooted. And no, making The Doctor a woman does not destroy the show. JFC.

Back on the actual topic, I wonder what the original plan was. The CBS thing affects Trek but he's already done all the worst Treks. I guess something else he worried would get him in trouble. Or it's taken so much of his time he had to change plans. Well whatever happens I'm sure it'll be good like always.

[Deledrius]

Back on the actual topic, I wonder what the original plan was. The CBS thing affects Trek but he's already done all the worst Treks.

Same here. Curious what the original plan was now.