The Rise of Skywalker (Spoilers: Read at Your Own Risk)

[MithrandirOlorin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/?st=K4XMB15A&sh=bfb54b94

[MrL1992]

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/?st=K4XMB15A&sh=bfb54b94

The trouble I'm having with this most dubious of sources is that it seems to simultaneously point fingers at Disney for some of TROS' story decisions but then also says JU was under stricter oversight to ensure the movie fit with TLU?

If you've seen the movie then you'll know TROS doesn't seem to try very hard to be a follow-up to TLJ.


So are they saying Disney told him to simultaneously remain strictly in the confines of TLJ whilst mandating story directions that flew in the face of it?

[Mecha82]

That doesn't make any sense now does it.

[MithrandirOlorin]

I finally saw it, and I feel TROS was great, it redeems The Last Jedi.

[cilantro]

https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/?st=K4XMB15A&sh=bfb54b94

Yeah, I read up on that but I am assuming that this is somehow a save face for JJ. Overall, my general idea is that there were massive retakes/cuts of this film and all were considered to be a poor movie/story. Also, I can see Iger coming in and forcing changes and/or having major oversight (Disney is already kind of know to be like that so yeah, it's believable in my opinion) and JJ being upset about it. We also were aware that Matt Smith was announced to have been cast in this movie but the version we saw he wasn't in. We all know that Ruin Johnson (of House Round-Head) and how he fucked everything up but like did JJ even bothered to check on how Ruin was doing and what were his plans while filming TLJ? So I would say that JJ had major problems with this movie (one being TLJ and also what was rumored to have happened behind the scenes) but he also kind of started things and left never finishing it and/or stayed on in some official way.

[MithrandirOlorin]

The movie wound up being not that bad at all.
https://jaredmithrandirolorin.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-rise-of-skywalker-has-saved-last.html

[Yukaphile]

My big issue is this. They don't even have the decency to say they got the idea from Dark Empire, because to admit they took the inspiration from an older comic book that is contentious even among Legends fans which realized the concept way better when they threw out that older material for "creative freedom" would make them look like giant hypocrites, and that's unacceptable for a family-friendly franchise! Hell, it makes me wonder if the editor who answered a few questions on HuffPost was TOLD to say that simply to boost their sales of Legends books which, let's remember, are still being reprinted, so that people who are curious would seek it out themselves.

My big problem with the sequels is that from all accounts, Force Awakens is a bastard fusion of Legacy and A New Hope, Last Jedi is a bastard fusion of KOTOR 2 and Empire Strikes Back, and Rise of Skywalker is a bastard fusion of Dark Empire and Return of the Jedi. Gotta "maximize" their "creative freedom," huh?

[Yukaphile]

And to the fans who both know about Dark Empire and Rise of Skywalker, how the hell can you gush over Rise of Skywalker, yet scream that Dark Empire was awful? Who knew Dark Empire would have sold better if they had just attached Return of the Jedi to it?

[MithrandirOlorin]

Dark Empire only seems like a better version of Palpatine brought back because it drags the storylne out more. I much prefer Palpatine as even more old and decrpetid, implied to be living like an energy vampire, to the cloning nonsense.

In the real canon Star Wars lore Clones are their own people not SciFi reincarnation. Frankly I'd have preferred Rey as a Palpatine Clone over a natural granddaughter.

How is ROS a rehash of ROTJ but not Dark Empire?

[thetrueelec]

The movie was not good, it wasn't bad but there's nothing besides the big fights that could count as good. I knew it wouldn't live up to TLJ, but I assumed it would at least be fun like TFA