CmdrKing wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:37 pmMy question to you there is this: in what way does denying trans people access to legal documents, medical care, and basic human rights solve those problems?
With the caveat that I have no idea what you mean by "basic human rights" - it doesn't, and if I've ever argued that we should be doing these things, then I'd appreciate you pointing it out to me, because that was unintentional on my part.
Like I said, "believe people when they tell you how they experience gender" is fine as a personal philosophy. Admirable, even. But as
government policy, it's going to create problems, because people have no problem abusing systems when they perceive an advantage from doing so.
If we insist on those troll examples...What is done with cis woman rapists in women's prisons, and why are those measures inadequate for Karen White?
I wish these were troll examples. Troll examples are things people make up for the sake of argument. "What if a person identifies as an attack helicopter and wants to bomb Iran?" These are
real people that have victimized
real women under the pretense of "I am whatever gender I decide to be today" and while I suspect this is unintentional on your part, they are the people
you are proposing we empower under a self-identification policy.
As to your question....generally, no special treatment is given to CIS women rapists in a woman's prison, just as no special treatment is given to male rapists in male prisons. They are in gen-pop unless they do something extraordinary, because there's no other practical way to handle it. That was insufficient for Karen White because unlike most female prisoners, Karen White has a fully functional penis and the body and frame of a man. I realize it's fashionable these days to say that there is no difference between the sexes, but in a wrestling match that's just not true - as some of Karen's fellow prisoners discovered.
But, you say, some women are larger and stronger than others. Even without testosterone, a woman can sexually abuse another woman. You are absolutely correct about that - heck, I'm sure it happens with depressing regularity in prison. But most people, and
especially most women, see a very large difference between a woman being attacked by another woman and woman being attacked by a man, especially when that man is a serial rapist who made no secret about the fact that he was identifying as a woman in order to be put in a population of people he considered vulnerable.
What measures exists for businesses to fight off frivolous suits against serial plaintiffs, and are those inadequate for bad-faith anti-discrimination suits?
That depends on the country, but in Canada, where Yaniv lives, the penalty is that you have to pay the other person's court costs if you lose. But here's the thing....under your proposed policy,
Yaniv was right. She identifies as a woman, these women advertise services for women, and yet when she shows up they turn her away. If we accept self-identification as the sole ethical method for determining gender, then these women DESERVE to be sued. And of course, it helped that she specifically targeted poor immigrant women with minimal education and legal options....nothing like punching down, eh?
Now, obviously you recognize Yaniv's behavior for what it is. So did the courts. But by shutting Yaniv down, they are expressly recognizing that self-identification is NOT always enough. Sometimes you have to go deeper.
edit - accidentally misgendered Jessica Yaniv. Apologies.
