Moderates don't Exist.

[MithrandirOlorin]

Sanders is Jewish, so stop all the BS about him being White.

[Yukaphile]

Oh please. Jews can be white too, you know. And everything to his aura SCREAMS "white privilege." He left a city to move to lily-white Vermont, he's pro-gun, he's said some disgusting things about women over the years, and honestly, the articles are out there! Look to how constantly he flip-flops on issues. Back in 2012, I hadn't gotten what that was. With Sanders, I finally saw what it was. Like how he had forgotten stuff he himself said only a few months prior. Plus he's the very kind of money profiteer he claims to rail against. The "superior electability" candidates like him keep spouting sounds too much to me like older white male privilege. They are the only people who can win. When 2008 proved that is not true. I could keep going on and on and on, but in the end, I have posted the links to those articles. No one wants to check them out. But, on the off chance somebody will LISTEN to me this time, here they are.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/05/bernie-sanders-electability-argument-is-still-a-myth.html

https://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/5/19/this-ends-now-the-bernie-sanders-opposition-research-the-media-refuses-to-release

My larger point in the end, however, was that these tokenist men are going to just hand the White House to a woman. Shouldn't we fucking be past tokenism now? We're really going to weaponize that to beat Trump? If there is one universal constant, it is that nothing meaningful ever changes in our society. It goes in surges, cycles, and people seem more afraid of what Trump is unlocking than what he is doing. Our civilization will endure, despite the rise and fall of empires we've seen over the past 10,000 years. In the end, nominating an older white guy who is going to hand the White House to a woman just depresses me all over. And it makes me feel guilty simply just writing that. Do you really think the charged political issues of the present will still be here 100 years form now? No, they will be supplanted by something else. Only the most superficial of surface details will have changed, it's still the same old endless fucking battles. But they will remember how a black man won the White House on his own. They would also remember if a woman won the White House on her own. But they will also remember if the first woman President made it to the White House riding off her boss's coattails, and in all the wrong ways, which is just embarrassing for me, a Millennial of 21st century sensibility. The first female President to reach it to the White House legitimately, not through chain of succession will generate discussion. The reverse will generate discussion, and in all the wrong ways. I could literally see it 100 years from now, trying to pick apart to what degree benevolent sexism or female privilege (because it can be used both ways) played a part in the installing, not the election of our first female leader. And yet it is something that can be entirely avoided, TODAY! It's like watching a train coming at somebody, and you just wanna scream that it's barreling down on them, and NO ONE IS LISTENING. It's why poor Fuzzy drinks. It's why I gave up. Because to go back to the scenario I listed, 100 years from now... will misogyny really be gone, or is it still going to be here? Because stopping Trump is not the magic solution in addressing the sheer systematic rot at the core of our society. I see very little indication any substantial change will come in the next 100 years. If anything, it seems as if it is going to get a great deal worse, and... it's sad. It's sad institutional sexism of all stripes means that we can't get a legitimately elected female President like the African-Americans got. It's sad, and speaks volumes to us, what a warped and twisted country we are... more even than the reign of Trump, this above all points to how corrupt and bankrupt our values are.

[Yukaphile]

Even worse is that it's the hundred-year mark SINCE women got the historic right to vote. And on that anniversary, we get the first step on the road to more patriarchal token chauvinistic bullshit. I have every reason to be fucking PISSED about this, and it's not like you can blame Trump either, despite the way the Democrats blame him for everything under the sun. We are the ones WILLINGLY choosing to deny our first female leader any position of real authority in the mechanism by which she is chosen. And again, that is why I gave up...

[AlucardNoir]

I don't have any particular thing to post to quote here, but to AlucardNoir:

1) Nazi isn't an acronym. Please stop spelling it like it is.
2) If I understand your argument about why Communism is worse than Nazism, it's because more people were killed by Communists than Nazis. I don't think that holds water. You expand the area where you are counting atrocities from, as well as using an expanded timeframe. The only fair comparison (without engaging in counterfactuals), probably would be Hitler against Stalin, which Hitler wins, even with antiquated pre-Soviet Collapse statistics.
3) Most of this is irrelevant. After a certain point, the actual numbers become meaningless. It's not as if the mass murder of "only" 10 million people when someone else killed 11 million people makes you some kind of paragon of virtue.

1. Emphasis, but fair enough.
2. I'm not comparing communism to nazism I'm comparing it to fascism and emphasizing the Nazi part because, you know, most fascist killings occurred under that regime, it wouldn't be "fair" to just compare Hitler to Stalin because that would leave a lot of fascist deaths and communist deaths off the table. Nazi's weren't the only fascist who engaged in mass murder of their own citizens, and Mao killed more people then Stalin and Hitler combined. Fascists, especially Nazi Germany succeed in killing a large number of people quicker then any one communists regime did, but communists killed more people overall. Turns out authoritarians just like to kill their own people.
3. This is from my first post in this thread:

That being said, if you're only options are to chose between a communist and a fascist... well, you're fucked, you just have to decide for how long you want to suffer before you die.

You know, because fascist, and the Nazi in particular were a lot more efficient when it comes to mass murder, while the communists took their time.

[AlucardNoir]

@ Yukaphile It's not that I fear death it's that the I see life like a line. 0 is death, life is 1. Everything bad in life is between 0 and 1. Everything good in life is above 1. Indifferent of the amount of pain you feel, you can never go bellow 0.

Also, regarding Sanders, if you guys didn't know he was a jew could you tell just by looking at him? could you tell just by hearing his voice?

[Yukaphile]

Yes, I see what you mean, I just don't feel it that way. I still maintain some have been left so wounded, decades later, where it'd have been kinder if they had died, that still applies. That the humane thing is end their pain. Because even if death is oblivion, in oblivion, there is no pain.

Bingo.

[MithrandirOlorin]

Being Pro-Gun is pretty non White actually. The most Anti-Gun people I know are White and the most Pro-Gun people I know are Black. Just look at Hip Hop, Tech9 makes a pro Gun song and Eminem makes na anti Gun song. The Black Panthers were a Pro-Gun group that Reagan made anti-Gun laws to oppose.

Modern China is the most Capitalsit nation that has existed. it couldn't be more un Communist if it tried.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Being Pro-Gun is pretty non White actually. The most Anti-Gun people I know are White and the most Pro-Gun people I know are Black. Just look at Hip Hop, Tech9 makes a pro Gun song and Eminem makes na anti Gun song. The Black Panthers were a Pro-Gun group that Reagan made anti-Gun laws to oppose.

Modern China is the most Capitalsit nation that has existed. it couldn't be more un Communist if it tried.

You know, this seems like the kind of thing that readily available statistics could support.

[Yukaphile]

There are other things Sanders has said that I've gone on and on about. Saying cervical cancer comes from lack of orgasms. He was a bum who lived that way because it was the "radical" thing to do. He talked about naked children touching their ding-dongs or something. He thinks we should nationalize the TV news networks and abolish the military, replace it with the Coast Guard. After his own history of activism, he turned away anti-war protesters over his support of the NATO intervention in Yugoslavia, thus hypocrisy. He consistently speaks to the white working class, he hasn't done a thing for civil rights since the 1960s. The first time he ever voted was for himself. Really, did you even read those articles? This man strikes me as a perverted weirdo. The left's version of Donald Trump, and people have spotted this and said words to a similar effect.

[MithrandirOlorin]

We absolutely should abolish the military.