Babylon Five: Knives

[Nightbeat74]

on the green wall on the baseball field, it had the words no peppers what does that mean? is it like a sports thing that i am not getting? i am not a sports fan.

[CrypticMirror]

on the green wall on the baseball field, it had the words no peppers what does that mean? is it like a sports thing that i am not getting? i am not a sports fan.

Wikipedia says it is a baseball thing, but having read the article I still do not understand it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_(baseball)

[Taurian Patriot]

I just admire Chuck for having the restraint to wait a whole eight minutes before making a Magic: The Gathering joke.

And count me in with those who enjoy every chance to see Londo's well-executed character evolution. That and his dynamic relationship with G'Kar are absolutely among the highest selling points of the series to me.

[FaxModem1]

I always found this episode a bore. This episode feels more like a one off, as while it uses plot elements from previous episodes, it doesn't go anywhere with them and advance them. B4 left a temporal vortex, and an energy being from it got loose, and the creature is now back there, while the vortex is still there. Londo has an old friend come from nowhere, and then die. Aside from one mention later on when he kills Refa, the character Urza is just plain forgotten about, as if he didn't really affect any Centauri storylines at all.

[cdrood]

I always liked the episode because it's where Londo truly learns the complexity of his situation. He's in too deep, but in rescuing his friends family shows there's still hope. He's a tragic character even if the tragedy is of his own making. It's really a parallel to everything that happens to him in the future. Every victory, every hope spot requires sacrifice and death.

It's why he's a great character. He wants to do good as he sees it, but is also tainted by personal ambition and ego. That leads him to do terrible things because he's so wrapped in the past and he'd never really seen what had to be done to build the empire he admires. Urza too, was living off the spoils of that empire and never understood the suffering it caused. This is one of the many lessons that will move Londo along his path. First, he has to learn to play the cutthroat political game better than anyone else. Eventually, he'll be strong enough to be in a position to start his people on a better course.

[Marveryn]

I always liked the episode because it's where Londo truly learns the complexity of his situation. He's in too deep, but in rescuing his friends family shows there's still hope. He's a tragic character even if the tragedy is of his own making. It's really a parallel to everything that happens to him in the future. Every victory, every hope spot requires sacrifice and death.

It's why he's a great character. He wants to do good as he sees it, but is also tainted by personal ambition and ego. That leads him to do terrible things because he's so wrapped in the past and he'd never really seen what had to be done to build the empire he admires. Urza too, was living off the spoils of that empire and never understood the suffering it caused. This is one of the many lessons that will move Londo along his path. First, he has to learn to play the cutthroat political game better than anyone else. Eventually, he'll be strong enough to be in a position to start his people on a better course.

I completely agreed and don't have much to add. Londo at this point was slowly sinking into the tragedy that was his dream of seeing the mighty centari empire. At no point did he see the cost till this episode. It was the start of him having regret and the path to redemption. It just took a while for him to get there

[CrypticMirror]

I always liked the episode because it's where Londo truly learns the complexity of his situation. He's in too deep, but in rescuing his friends family shows there's still hope. He's a tragic character even if the tragedy is of his own making. It's really a parallel to everything that happens to him in the future. Every victory, every hope spot requires sacrifice and death.

It's why he's a great character. He wants to do good as he sees it, but is also tainted by personal ambition and ego. That leads him to do terrible things because he's so wrapped in the past and he'd never really seen what had to be done to build the empire he admires. Urza too, was living off the spoils of that empire and never understood the suffering it caused. This is one of the many lessons that will move Londo along his path. First, he has to learn to play the cutthroat political game better than anyone else. Eventually, he'll be strong enough to be in a position to start his people on a better course.

I completely agreed and don't have much to add. Londo at this point was slowly sinking into the tragedy that was his dream of seeing the mighty centari empire. At no point did he see the cost till this episode. It was the start of him having regret and the path to redemption. It just took a while for him to get there

This is the episode that moved the consequences away from the big space battles and the long casualty lists of people we never met, and put a -for want of a better term- human face on it. Both for the audience and for Londo, this is making sure we see all the Imperial posturing has personal stakes and consequences as well as the more abstract.

[JL_Stinger]

FTE: "You cannot build an empire on slaughter!"

News to just about every empire I've heard of.

[Mickey_Rat15]

FTE: "You cannot build an empire on slaughter!"

News to just about every empire I've heard of.

The Habsburgs suggest strategic marriages can work as well, though slaughter was their backup plan.