Star Trek Picard and Trek Taking on Modern Politics

[Deledrius]

Well how they introduced it in the show isn't particularly lucid for a reveal.

And yet they use it as a reveal in Episode 2. It's like they don't even know what they're doing.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Well how they introduced it in the show isn't particularly lucid for a reveal.

And yet they use it as a reveal in Episode 2. It's like they don't even know what they're doing.

Well they show it for sure in the first episode, but everyone is just kind of working and they don't explain what it is until the second episode.

It's not a bad idea or anything I think, but yeah kind of curious.

So this Borg grave repository or whatever is just something separate from the Romulan ordeal?

[Deledrius]

Well they show it for sure in the first episode, but everyone is just kind of working and they don't explain what it is until the second episode.

Yeah, we don't know much, but "Where could she be?!?!?" is the one thing we know. And we have to sit through a drawn-out scene with the characters figuring out what the audience already knows... and then dramatically cuts to show us. A bit redundant. Makes me wonder if the Ep1 coda was not scripted but added late in production to get the Borg hook into Episode 1 as a teaser. Otherwise, it makes that already-tedious CSI segment just a slog with no purpose. We don't need to see the (goofy) process if the only revelation is the one piece of information we already have.

Ep2 had some major pacing and plot hole issues compared to ep1. It suffers a few times from "don't explain something if you don't have a good reason; better to just say a thing happened and let us fill in the gaps instead of telling us it happened in an impossible way", too.

[excalibur]

I don't understand why ships are being built on the surface of Mars when canonically they've been built in space.

Also, I don't get the type of work environment in a post scarcity world like Star Trek, Mars is a core world in the heart of the Federation, a literal hop to Earth and back and yet they act like this Mars is worse than Mars in the Expanse with blue collared level jobs of today and the replicator make meals that look like prison food. That makes no sense.

I also don't like the casual swearing and present day speech of the characters so far. There had been 2 F bombs so far and this is more to Discovery script writing than TNG to DS9 writing.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don't understand why ships are being built on the surface of Mars when canonically they've been built in space.

Also, I don't get the type of work environment in a post scarcity world like Star Trek, Mars is a core world in the heart of the Federation, a literal hop to Earth and back and yet they act like this Mars is worse than Mars in the Expanse with blue collared level jobs of today and the replicator make meals that look like prison food. That makes no sense.

I also don't like the casual swearing and present day speech of the characters so far. There had been 2 F bombs so far and this is more to Discovery script writing than TNG to DS9 writing.

Star Trek '09 had Enterprise being built on Earth. Otherwise I just assumed the ship's docks were in space.

I'm not sure I've ever heard that post scarcity precludes any type of service labor. Realistically though you might not expect everybody to aspire to be engineers etc... Socialism doesn't necessarily mean equality of status.

[excalibur]

I don't understand why ships are being built on the surface of Mars when canonically they've been built in space.

Also, I don't get the type of work environment in a post scarcity world like Star Trek, Mars is a core world in the heart of the Federation, a literal hop to Earth and back and yet they act like this Mars is worse than Mars in the Expanse with blue collared level jobs of today and the replicator make meals that look like prison food. That makes no sense.

I also don't like the casual swearing and present day speech of the characters so far. There had been 2 F bombs so far and this is more to Discovery script writing than TNG to DS9 writing.

Star Trek '09 had Enterprise being built on Earth. Otherwise I just assumed the ship's docks were in space.

I'm not sure I've ever heard that post scarcity precludes any type of service labor. Realistically though you might not expect everybody to aspire to be engineers etc... Socialism doesn't necessarily mean equality of status.

The JJ series makes even less sense. I'd rather not take inspiration from THAT bunch of dumb action films pretending to be Star Trek. As I said, in canon, we've SEEN the ship yards in space, which makes sense since most star ships are only ever designed to operate in space.

From what we can tell from previous Trek and in Picard's own words, money doesn't exist in the future and economic wealth is no longer the driving force for humanity. This close to the heart of the Federation means more luxury life one can live, even for those who still work the lowly blue collared jobs. It also makes sense for the robot servants except attitudes towards them should be like you towards your roomba. They are machines shaped like people with basic communication functions. There's no point in programing them with social etiquette if all they do is the hard work. The "good morning plastic people" line is kinda cringe. Worse, I would have called the tin men since they are made of metal than plastics.

Real world socialism so far hasn't worked out for major countries but Star Trek is fictional kind of socialism based on Gene Roddenberry's vision of a utopia

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I don't understand why ships are being built on the surface of Mars when canonically they've been built in space.

Also, I don't get the type of work environment in a post scarcity world like Star Trek, Mars is a core world in the heart of the Federation, a literal hop to Earth and back and yet they act like this Mars is worse than Mars in the Expanse with blue collared level jobs of today and the replicator make meals that look like prison food. That makes no sense.

I also don't like the casual swearing and present day speech of the characters so far. There had been 2 F bombs so far and this is more to Discovery script writing than TNG to DS9 writing.

Star Trek '09 had Enterprise being built on Earth. Otherwise I just assumed the ship's docks were in space.

I'm not sure I've ever heard that post scarcity precludes any type of service labor. Realistically though you might not expect everybody to aspire to be engineers etc... Socialism doesn't necessarily mean equality of status.

The JJ series makes even less sense. I'd rather not take inspiration from THAT bunch of dumb action films pretending to be Star Trek. As I said, in canon, we've SEEN the ship yards in space, which makes sense since most star ships are only ever designed to operate in space.

From what we can tell from previous Trek and in Picard's own words, money doesn't exist in the future and economic wealth is no longer the driving force for humanity. This close to the heart of the Federation means more luxury life one can live, even for those who still work the lowly blue collared jobs. It also makes sense for the robot servants except attitudes towards them should be like you towards your roomba. They are machines shaped like people with basic communication functions. There's no point in programing them with social etiquette if all they do is the hard work. The "good morning plastic people" line is kinda cringe. Worse, I would have called the tin men since they are made of metal than plastics.

Real world socialism so far hasn't worked out for major countries but Star Trek is fictional kind of socialism based on Gene Roddenberry's vision of a utopia

You're reading into what socialism is a bit too much. I already said that it doesn't necessitate equal status. All that you can really indicate from a no money system is just that people are provided both work and living conditions. We're given no indication that they are subsistence living by any measure, you're just assuming they are because of their dialect etc.

[Enterprising]

I don't understand why ships are being built on the surface of Mars when canonically they've been built in space.

I also don't like the casual swearing and present day speech of the characters so far. There had been 2 F bombs so far and this is more to Discovery script writing than TNG to DS9 writing.

Remember this is JJ verse Trek, where massive ships are fully built on the ground, one supernova can wipe out the universe, and people go back to language not used by society in centuries because "edgy". Honourable mentions to the Romulan housekeeper who sounds like she’s from Dublin, and the other Romulan on the cube that sounds like he’s from Salford.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

When were ships built in space?

The Romulans have always had an uptight dialect, and every alien in Star Trek has had a terran accent or particularly human trait. I doubt they're even speaking english themselves.

[Enterprising]

When were ships built in space?

Always in space (or in ultra-high orbit at a shipyard/drydock) due to the sheer mass of starships, until 2009 anyway where details like that don't matter if it "looks cool". The TOS Enterprise had a mass of a million gross tons before going on its atkins diet for STD, where despite doubling in size and carrying 50 times more auxiliary craft, sheds over 80% of its mass to just 190k gross tons.

On dialogue, after checking IMDB, the Romulan housekeep IS from Dublin, and the other guy is from mid-England, so what I said in sarcasm turned out to be the case.