VOY: Pathfinder

[Madner Kami]

You can tell a far greater range of stories in far more genres if you don't have to worry about advancing your overall plot. If you are being serialised, you gotta keep the story progression safe and not take risks on less common and format breaker stories. Exploring an issue with a guest cast, and then drawing things back to a conclusion and seeing the ramifications on that guest cast allows for big issues to be explored in a way serialisation, soapification, simply does not allow.

You can have both arcs and episodic content in the same show. See the StarGate-franchise and see Farscape.

[CrypticMirror]

You can tell a far greater range of stories in far more genres if you don't have to worry about advancing your overall plot. If you are being serialised, you gotta keep the story progression safe and not take risks on less common and format breaker stories. Exploring an issue with a guest cast, and then drawing things back to a conclusion and seeing the ramifications on that guest cast allows for big issues to be explored in a way serialisation, soapification, simply does not allow.

You can have both arcs and episodic content in the same show. See the StarGate-franchise and see Farscape.

At first, sure. But, like every cancer, slowly but surely the serialised stories leak out and then metastasize all over the show and then the arc vanishes up its own arse. The only way to stop it is to cut those arcs out right from the start. Arc-rot is the eventual doom of all serialised show. The only safe way to deal with it is like TNG, have slow and gradual character development which runs independent from the plots.

[Mecha82]

At this point it seems like you hate serialized format just on principle rather than based on any actual logical reasons considering that you refuse to see it's benefits. I mean you seem like very boneheaded and unreasonable type as well as self centered person who is so sure that your preference is only correct one and that people making Trek should please you alone.

[Thebestoftherest]

At this point it seems like you hate serialized format just on principle rather than based on any actual logical reasons considering that you refuse to see it's benefits. I mean you seem like very boneheaded and unreasonable type as well as self centered person who is so sure that your preference is only correct one and that people making Trek should please you alone.

I said it once I said it before Voyager could be a good show if it came out twenty years later.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I liked the continuity of Voyager.

It's like a freemium game but the microtransactions only apply to costumes or superficial stuff, so it's not that sleazy at the same time.

[Thebestoftherest]

Yeah but it feels silly

[Deledrius]

Sure some people miss consequences free Trek but at end of day they only want what is safe.

It lies on a spectrum, and due to media trends we see a lot of shows being written outside of what works best for the genre, as well as what's in the ability of the show's staff to write.

At this point it seems like you hate serialized format just on principle rather than based on any actual logical reasons considering that you refuse to see it's benefits.

Sure, if you ignore the examples given. Honestly, with your constant aggressive defense of this topic, you seem to be rejecting the idea that other people might enjoy something differently than you at least as much as you complain about seeing it in others.

I don't think I've seen anyone say that "serialized shows are bad" but rather that the format has a lot of weaknesses, and these weaknesses have been deal-breakers for a lot of the existing audience. You may personally be able to ignore those problems, but don't act like they don't exist just because you aren't bothered by them, or try to insist that the people disliking it are doing so in bad faith. It makes having a useful conversation about it impossible.

It's like a freemium game but the microtransactions only apply to costumes or superficial stuff, so it's not that sleazy at the same time.

LOL, you just defined sleazy, IMO.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's like a freemium game but the microtransactions only apply to costumes or superficial stuff, so it's not that sleazy at the same time.

LOL, you just defined sleazy, IMO.

I wouldn't call DOTA 2 sleazy.