The great 2020 election thread....

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ProfessorDetective wrote: Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:56 am
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:47 pm That would be horrible!
But interesting and probably unprecedented. I assume the Dems would bring out Warren, but what about the Repubs?
If 45 dies? Weekend at Bernie's.

I am still holding out hope that Sanders win's the primary, somehow. I mean, if there's anyone who could have everything stacked in his favor and still face-plant at the finish line, it's Biden. Mostly though I am still committed to supporting the democrats in the general election, and I really really really really really really REALLY don't wanna have to vote for Biden. I'll do it if I need to, but with all the enthusiasm of swallowing the cum of a man who thinks vegetables are "rabbit food" and has never drunk anything in his adult life except whiskey and whatever soft drink came with his Taco Bell meal.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:45 amI am still holding out hope that Sanders win's the primary, somehow.
Terrible news for you. If EVERYONE ELSE in the Democratic Primary dies of COVID before November, and Sanders is the last man standing - the party will almost certainly invalidate the first call and then nominate Jerry the Intern.

Democrats have no desire to follow Republicans into a cult of personality, and I don't blame them. The solution to 1 insane party is not 2 insane parties.
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I like how the "sane" response during a global pandemic is to shun restoring and expanding New Deal era progressive programs, especially embracing the "sanity" of non-universal healthcare.
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Indeed, if we had universal health care the situation here would be no worse than the UK's.
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CmdrKing wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:31 pm I like how the "sane" response during a global pandemic is to shun restoring and expanding New Deal era progressive programs, especially embracing the "sanity" of non-universal healthcare.
Never let a crisis go to waste, eh?
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LittleRaven wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:33 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:45 amI am still holding out hope that Sanders win's the primary, somehow.
Democrats have no desire to follow Republicans into a cult of personality, and I don't blame them. The solution to 1 insane party is not 2 insane parties.
Democrats aren't that sour on Sanders. I think the 2016 strife was contained to Clinton's organizational report with the DNC administration, which I think would account for a reasonable understanding for how much Sanders actually did denounce Clinton specifically.

Now they are mostly in fox dens where they can sustain the most warmth in certain pockets.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:23 pmDemocrats aren't that sour on Sanders.
Democrats are pretty damn sour on Sanders, mostly because he promptly disavowed the party once the 2016 election was over. That really didn't sit well with most Democrats.

But more importantly, this primary has revealed that Sanders is a losing bet. His whole argument for the nomination was that he could bring out voters that no other Democrat could. But as we've seen in primary after primary....he can't. Young people may meme about Sanders but they seemingly can't be bothered to actually vote for him.

So given the choice between Sanders, who actively repels a lot of people that Democrats KNOW vote and seemingly cannot mobilize people who don't, and Jerry the Intern, who will at least command the votes of Democratic loyalists....Jerry it is.
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LittleRaven wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:34 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:23 pmDemocrats aren't that sour on Sanders.
Democrats are pretty damn sour on Sanders, mostly because he promptly disavowed the party once the 2016 election was over. That really didn't sit well with most Democrats.

But more importantly, this primary has revealed that Sanders is a losing bet. His whole argument for the nomination was that he could bring out voters that no other Democrat could. But as we've seen in primary after primary....he can't. Young people may meme about Sanders but they seemingly can't be bothered to actually vote for him.

So given the choice between Sanders, who actively repels a lot of people that Democrats KNOW vote and seemingly cannot mobilize people who don't, and Jerry the Intern, who will at least command the votes of Democratic loyalists....Jerry it is.
You're saying that they had some sort of vested interest in him shaking up things for new voters? I doubt you mean that to that degree but they would have had to have been looking up to him to take that seriously on an institutional level.
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I mean, is there something specific post 2016 the DNC has done to exhibit estrangengement of Sanders?
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Darth Wedgius wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:44 pm Indeed, if we had universal health care the situation here would be no worse than the UK's.
The NHS's central problem is that it is old - 1946 to be exact. It was designed for a fraction of the population that it caters for today and it was designed for a population that died a good thirty years younger. What once worked spectacularly well now huffs and puffs as it tries to keep up.

A health system designed for TODAY - which is what a USNHS would be - would not face many of the same institutional challenges.
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