45 endorses other dumbasses during pandemic

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a self made billionaire. Look back into any billionaire's past and you'll find several strokes of astronomical luck, a "start up loan" that could buy a small country and two state senators, and/or old money so old it has to be measured in geological strata.

Ah, the Obama approach: "You didn't make that". The same line of thinking that has lead so many socialist nations to produce such great products and innovations as...

That sounds like somebody who is made he can't even prove that the reality TV star is a Billionaire, much less a self made one.

I'm mad? You literally couldn't even type it. And yes, Trump is a Billionaire and anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist idiot.

Says the guy with no sources to prove the reality TV star con man who ran failed casinos is as rich as he says he is.

Sure Jan.

[Darth Wedgius]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a self made billionaire. Look back into any billionaire's past and you'll find several strokes of astronomical luck, a "start up loan" that could buy a small country and two state senators, and/or old money so old it has to be measured in geological strata.

Ah, the Obama approach: "You didn't make that". The same line of thinking that has lead so many socialist nations to produce such great products and innovations as...

That sounds like somebody who is made he can't even prove that the reality TV star is a Billionaire, much less a self made one.

I'm mad? You literally couldn't even type it. And yes, Trump is a Billionaire and anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist idiot.

I think it can safely be assumed he is not a billionaire from the fact that he refuses to release his tax returns, but is willing to admit to criminal activity on live tv.

Could you explain the logic behind that one? There could be other reasons he doesn't want to release his tax returns, couldn't there?

[Draco Dracul]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a self made billionaire. Look back into any billionaire's past and you'll find several strokes of astronomical luck, a "start up loan" that could buy a small country and two state senators, and/or old money so old it has to be measured in geological strata.

Ah, the Obama approach: "You didn't make that". The same line of thinking that has lead so many socialist nations to produce such great products and innovations as...

That sounds like somebody who is made he can't even prove that the reality TV star is a Billionaire, much less a self made one.

I'm mad? You literally couldn't even type it. And yes, Trump is a Billionaire and anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist idiot.

I think it can safely be assumed he is not a billionaire from the fact that he refuses to release his tax returns, but is willing to admit to criminal activity on live tv.

Could you explain the logic behind that one? There could be other reasons he doesn't want to release his tax returns, couldn't there?

It's either because he's not as rich as he says he is or they show evidence of criminal activity, there are no other reasons than this has been a standard practice for presidential candidates for 50 years.He has previously shown a willingness to admit to crimes on national television, so that seems less likely than he's hiding his true wealth.

[Darth Wedgius]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a self made billionaire. Look back into any billionaire's past and you'll find several strokes of astronomical luck, a "start up loan" that could buy a small country and two state senators, and/or old money so old it has to be measured in geological strata.

Ah, the Obama approach: "You didn't make that". The same line of thinking that has lead so many socialist nations to produce such great products and innovations as...

That sounds like somebody who is made he can't even prove that the reality TV star is a Billionaire, much less a self made one.

I'm mad? You literally couldn't even type it. And yes, Trump is a Billionaire and anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist idiot.

I think it can safely be assumed he is not a billionaire from the fact that he refuses to release his tax returns, but is willing to admit to criminal activity on live tv.

Could you explain the logic behind that one? There could be other reasons he doesn't want to release his tax returns, couldn't there?

It's either because he's not as rich as he says he is or they show evidence of criminal activity, there are no other reasons than this has been a standard practice for presidential candidates for 50 years.He has previously shown a willingness to admit to crimes on national television, so that seems less likely than he's hiding his true wealth.

One: the "admission" of "crimes" you claim may not be an admission of crimes. I assume you mean the Ukraine affair.

Two: he might be hiding other crimes.

Three: he might not be wanting to hand the press other reasons for criticism along the lines of "if he's making this much money he should be paying more in taxes"

Four: There may be reasons you haven't thought of. You have not shown that those are the only two possibilities. Maybe there are hints there of business plans, interests people who hate him might attack, embarrassing losses that don't lower his value below a billion dollar, etc.



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[Draco Dracul]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a self made billionaire. Look back into any billionaire's past and you'll find several strokes of astronomical luck, a "start up loan" that could buy a small country and two state senators, and/or old money so old it has to be measured in geological strata.

Ah, the Obama approach: "You didn't make that". The same line of thinking that has lead so many socialist nations to produce such great products and innovations as...

That sounds like somebody who is made he can't even prove that the reality TV star is a Billionaire, much less a self made one.

I'm mad? You literally couldn't even type it. And yes, Trump is a Billionaire and anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist idiot.

I think it can safely be assumed he is not a billionaire from the fact that he refuses to release his tax returns, but is willing to admit to criminal activity on live tv.

Could you explain the logic behind that one? There could be other reasons he doesn't want to release his tax returns, couldn't there?

It's either because he's not as rich as he says he is or they show evidence of criminal activity, there are no other reasons than this has been a standard practice for presidential candidates for 50 years.He has previously shown a willingness to admit to crimes on national television, so that seems less likely than he's hiding his true wealth.

One: the "admission" of "crimes" you claim may not be an admission of crimes. I assume you mean the Ukraine affair.

Among others, notably firing Comey for not dropping the Russia investigation which is obstruction of justice.

Two: he might be hiding other crimes.

Three: he might not be wanting to hand the press other reasons for criticism along the lines of "if he's making this much money he should be paying more in taxes"

He's already has admitted to tax avoidance in the past and how it makes him smart so neither of those make sense.

Four: There may be reasons you haven't thought of. You have not shown that those are the only two possibilities. Maybe there are hints there of business plans, interests people who hate him might attack, embarrassing losses that don't lower his value below a billion dollar, etc.

His business plans other than letting the company his father built run itself have all been dismal failures, so his business plans have no value. If there where things to attack he'd have incentive to release them because his entire pr management strategy has been cause to get involved in a scandal to distract from the scandal he's currently in. I think if it was just embarrassing losses that still left him a billionaire he'd probably release it just to prove everyone that says he's not a billionaire wrong, plus there is nothing can beat driving a casino to bankruptcy through sheer incompetence.

[JoeThree]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a self made billionaire. Look back into any billionaire's past and you'll find several strokes of astronomical luck, a "start up loan" that could buy a small country and two state senators, and/or old money so old it has to be measured in geological strata.

Ah, the Obama approach: "You didn't make that". The same line of thinking that has lead so many socialist nations to produce such great products and innovations as...

That sounds like somebody who is made he can't even prove that the reality TV star is a Billionaire, much less a self made one.

I'm mad? You literally couldn't even type it. And yes, Trump is a Billionaire and anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist idiot.

Says the guy with no sources to prove the reality TV star con man who ran failed casinos is as rich as he says he is.

Sure Jan.

Believing the norm is not being a Conspiracy Theorist. How isolated is your bubble that you think the common man thinks Donald Trump ISN'T a Billionaire? Dude, go meet people in real life.

[Darth Wedgius]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a self made billionaire. Look back into any billionaire's past and you'll find several strokes of astronomical luck, a "start up loan" that could buy a small country and two state senators, and/or old money so old it has to be measured in geological strata.

Ah, the Obama approach: "You didn't make that". The same line of thinking that has lead so many socialist nations to produce such great products and innovations as...

That sounds like somebody who is made he can't even prove that the reality TV star is a Billionaire, much less a self made one.

I'm mad? You literally couldn't even type it. And yes, Trump is a Billionaire and anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist idiot.

I think it can safely be assumed he is not a billionaire from the fact that he refuses to release his tax returns, but is willing to admit to criminal activity on live tv.

Could you explain the logic behind that one? There could be other reasons he doesn't want to release his tax returns, couldn't there?

It's either because he's not as rich as he says he is or they show evidence of criminal activity, there are no other reasons than this has been a standard practice for presidential candidates for 50 years.He has previously shown a willingness to admit to crimes on national television, so that seems less likely than he's hiding his true wealth.

One: the "admission" of "crimes" you claim may not be an admission of crimes. I assume you mean the Ukraine affair.

Among others, notably firing Comey for not dropping the Russia investigation which is obstruction of justice.

Two: he might be hiding other crimes.

Three: he might not be wanting to hand the press other reasons for criticism along the lines of "if he's making this much money he should be paying more in taxes"

He's already has admitted to tax avoidance in the past and how it makes him smart so neither of those make sense.

Four: There may be reasons you haven't thought of. You have not shown that those are the only two possibilities. Maybe there are hints there of business plans, interests people who hate him might attack, embarrassing losses that don't lower his value below a billion dollar, etc.

His business plans other than letting the company his father built run itself have all been dismal failures, so his business plans have no value. If there where things to attack he'd have incentive to release them because his entire pr management strategy has been cause to get involved in a scandal to distract from the scandal he's currently in. I think if it was just embarrassing losses that still left him a billionaire he'd probably release it just to prove everyone that says he's not a billionaire wrong, plus there is nothing can beat driving a casino to bankruptcy through sheer incompetence.

Obstruction of justice is an act that "corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

Firing someone doesn't meet the above criteria.

Admitting tax avoidance isn't the same as giving amounts to that which can be waved in his face.

This article from Time lists several successful and unsuccessful Trump ventures.
[url] https://time.com/3988970/donald-trump-business/ [/url]

And Trump probably has the same interest in proving he's a billionaire as NASA does in proving the earth is round. And, IMHO, for the same reason.

[Draco Dracul]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a self made billionaire. Look back into any billionaire's past and you'll find several strokes of astronomical luck, a "start up loan" that could buy a small country and two state senators, and/or old money so old it has to be measured in geological strata.

Ah, the Obama approach: "You didn't make that". The same line of thinking that has lead so many socialist nations to produce such great products and innovations as...

That sounds like somebody who is made he can't even prove that the reality TV star is a Billionaire, much less a self made one.

I'm mad? You literally couldn't even type it. And yes, Trump is a Billionaire and anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist idiot.

I think it can safely be assumed he is not a billionaire from the fact that he refuses to release his tax returns, but is willing to admit to criminal activity on live tv.

Could you explain the logic behind that one? There could be other reasons he doesn't want to release his tax returns, couldn't there?

It's either because he's not as rich as he says he is or they show evidence of criminal activity, there are no other reasons than this has been a standard practice for presidential candidates for 50 years.He has previously shown a willingness to admit to crimes on national television, so that seems less likely than he's hiding his true wealth.

One: the "admission" of "crimes" you claim may not be an admission of crimes. I assume you mean the Ukraine affair.

Among others, notably firing Comey for not dropping the Russia investigation which is obstruction of justice.

Two: he might be hiding other crimes.

Three: he might not be wanting to hand the press other reasons for criticism along the lines of "if he's making this much money he should be paying more in taxes"

He's already has admitted to tax avoidance in the past and how it makes him smart so neither of those make sense.

Four: There may be reasons you haven't thought of. You have not shown that those are the only two possibilities. Maybe there are hints there of business plans, interests people who hate him might attack, embarrassing losses that don't lower his value below a billion dollar, etc.

His business plans other than letting the company his father built run itself have all been dismal failures, so his business plans have no value. If there where things to attack he'd have incentive to release them because his entire pr management strategy has been cause to get involved in a scandal to distract from the scandal he's currently in. I think if it was just embarrassing losses that still left him a billionaire he'd probably release it just to prove everyone that says he's not a billionaire wrong, plus there is nothing can beat driving a casino to bankruptcy through sheer incompetence.

Obstruction of justice is an act that "corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

Firing someone doesn't meet the above criteria.

Sure it does when you fire them to kill an investigation, especially one into your own corruption. That is corruptly obstructing the due administration of justice. It's the same thing that Nixon was going to be impeached on before he made his corrupt deal with Ford to resign in exchange for a pardon.

[Darth Wedgius]

Yeah, there's no such thing as a self made billionaire. Look back into any billionaire's past and you'll find several strokes of astronomical luck, a "start up loan" that could buy a small country and two state senators, and/or old money so old it has to be measured in geological strata.

Ah, the Obama approach: "You didn't make that". The same line of thinking that has lead so many socialist nations to produce such great products and innovations as...

That sounds like somebody who is made he can't even prove that the reality TV star is a Billionaire, much less a self made one.

I'm mad? You literally couldn't even type it. And yes, Trump is a Billionaire and anyone who says otherwise is a conspiracy theorist idiot.

I think it can safely be assumed he is not a billionaire from the fact that he refuses to release his tax returns, but is willing to admit to criminal activity on live tv.

Could you explain the logic behind that one? There could be other reasons he doesn't want to release his tax returns, couldn't there?

It's either because he's not as rich as he says he is or they show evidence of criminal activity, there are no other reasons than this has been a standard practice for presidential candidates for 50 years.He has previously shown a willingness to admit to crimes on national television, so that seems less likely than he's hiding his true wealth.

One: the "admission" of "crimes" you claim may not be an admission of crimes. I assume you mean the Ukraine affair.

Among others, notably firing Comey for not dropping the Russia investigation which is obstruction of justice.

Two: he might be hiding other crimes.

Three: he might not be wanting to hand the press other reasons for criticism along the lines of "if he's making this much money he should be paying more in taxes"

He's already has admitted to tax avoidance in the past and how it makes him smart so neither of those make sense.

Four: There may be reasons you haven't thought of. You have not shown that those are the only two possibilities. Maybe there are hints there of business plans, interests people who hate him might attack, embarrassing losses that don't lower his value below a billion dollar, etc.

His business plans other than letting the company his father built run itself have all been dismal failures, so his business plans have no value. If there where things to attack he'd have incentive to release them because his entire pr management strategy has been cause to get involved in a scandal to distract from the scandal he's currently in. I think if it was just embarrassing losses that still left him a billionaire he'd probably release it just to prove everyone that says he's not a billionaire wrong, plus there is nothing can beat driving a casino to bankruptcy through sheer incompetence.

Obstruction of justice is an act that "corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

Firing someone doesn't meet the above criteria.

Sure it does when you fire them to kill an investigation, especially one into your own corruption. That is corruptly obstructing the due administration of justice. It's the same thing that Nixon was going to be impeached on before he made his corrupt deal with Ford to resign in exchange for a pardon.

How does firing someone fit that definition? It's not a threat and it's not force.

[GreyICE]

Obstruction of justice
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Definition
18 U.S.C. § 1503 defines "obstruction of justice" as an act that "corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

Overview
Someone obstructs justice when that person has a specific intent to obstruct or interfere with a judicial proceeding. For a person to be convicted of obstructing justice, that person must not only have the specific intent to obstruct the proceeding, but that person must know (1) that a proceeding was actually pending at the time; and (2) there must be a connection between the endeavor to obstruct justice and the proceeding, and the person must have knowledge of this connection.

§ 1503 applies only to federal judicial proceedings. Under 18 U.S.C. § 1505, however, a defendant can be convicted of obstruction of justice by obstructing a pending proceeding before Congress or a federal administrative agency. A pending proceeding could include an informal investigation by an executive agency.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obstruction_of_justice

Firing someone in charge of an investigation in order to disrupt an investigation is clearly is acting corruptly and obstructing and impeding the due administration of justice.

Do you honestly think that's okay? How?