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Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:09 am
So you don't think Republicans believing humans contribute to climate change is Republicans believing in climate change. Allowing for what seems to be confusion on your part about global warming vs. climate change vs. human factors causing it, but OK.
And you don't appreciate being called out on a false dichotomy. Hey fair, enough. Some people don't like being exposed in a mistake, and lash out rather than taking it as a learning experience.
Oh. So you don't believe that humans cause climate change. So you're going with science denial. Glad that's settled
I didn't say that. Maybe you can point out where you thought I said that.
GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:25 am
And you also don't believe Trump's clean air rules will cause death
https://www.law.nyu.edu/sites/default/files/climate-and-health-showdown-in-the-courts.pdf
I didn't say that, either. Maybe you can point out where I said that.
However, it looks to me to be more likely that you're either unable to understand what I'm saying, or unwilling to acknowledge it. That's fine.
Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 5:09 amBut I've seen nothing that makes me really value your opinion, and, I imagine, that works in reverse as well. And I'm happy for others following along to evaluate the evidence and come to their own conclusions.
Sure. Here's how it's going to work. Any time anyone else brings up the Republicans, I'll mention that the entire party is either too stupid to realize that they are murdering people, or just don't see any problems with that. And I'll post links to this science that you can't possibly respond to if they question it.
And you'll have no response except to say "that's not true! Even if I can't respond to the science at all, I can't admit it's right!" And everyone will see both your level of intelligence, and what a goddamn clown you are.
1) The Republican party is really misinformed about Climate Change, which will kill people.
2) The Republican party's changed pollution regulations will kill people.
3) Darth doesn't care that Republicans are denying science and is fine with their policy killing people. He's conceded it's true, but he thinks it's very unfair to mention it.
4) This conversation is making Darth very uncomfortable, because at some point he'll have to take position statements, and he knows that either he'll have to concede that 1 and 2 above is true, or concede that 3 is.
Hmmmm. Think that about covers it. What will reasonable people think indeed. Feel free to pick a piece of science you have a bone with Darth, since you only respond to "logic and reason". Want to start discussing the science? Any time now?
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GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:00 am
Okay, so what we've settled:
1) The Republican party is really misinformed about Climate Change, which will kill people.
2) The Republican party's changed pollution regulations will kill people.
3) Darth doesn't care that Republicans are denying science and is fine with their policy killing people. He's conceded it's true, but he thinks it's very unfair to mention it.
4) This conversation is making Darth very uncomfortable, because at some point he'll have to take position statements, and he knows that either he'll have to concede that 1 and 2 above is true, or concede that 3 is.
Hmmmm. Think that about covers it. What will reasonable people think indeed. Feel free to pick a piece of science you have a bone with Darth, since you only respond to "logic and reason". Want to start discussing the science? Any time now?
He will then resort to his favourite tactic and dismiss your argument as a strawman.
SSJGodGoku wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:16 amYou could say the exact same thing about the Democratic party. They're running a sexual predator as a candidate after all.
Oh gee, it's "pick which sexual predator you vote for". Yes, we've covered that. Okay, both parties are running sexual predators. Good times.
Do you care to discuss Global Warming?
What about it?
Well, why the Republicans deny it and are seeking to, if anything, accelerate it.
Are you aware this will get people killed? Are you the ignorant school of Republican (it won't happen) or the psychopath school (I don't care if a bunch of people die)?
I'm not a Republican at all. Republicans and Democrats are both retarded.
SSJGodGoku wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:16 amYou could say the exact same thing about the Democratic party. They're running a sexual predator as a candidate after all.
Oh gee, it's "pick which sexual predator you vote for". Yes, we've covered that. Okay, both parties are running sexual predators. Good times.
Do you care to discuss Global Warming?
What about it?
Well, why the Republicans deny it and are seeking to, if anything, accelerate it.
Are you aware this will get people killed? Are you the ignorant school of Republican (it won't happen) or the psychopath school (I don't care if a bunch of people die)?
I'm not a Republican at all. Republicans and Democrats are both retarded.
I see. I deduce you're politically very enlightened following that process of elimination.
I am certainly impressed by how clearly above the political fray he is by solely targeting one side of it.
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GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:00 am
Okay, so what we've settled:
1) The Republican party is really misinformed about Climate Change, which will kill people.
2) The Republican party's changed pollution regulations will kill people.
3) Darth doesn't care that Republicans are denying science and is fine with their policy killing people. He's conceded it's true, but he thinks it's very unfair to mention it.
4) This conversation is making Darth very uncomfortable, because at some point he'll have to take position statements, and he knows that either he'll have to concede that 1 and 2 above is true, or concede that 3 is.
Hmmmm. Think that about covers it. What will reasonable people think indeed. Feel free to pick a piece of science you have a bone with Darth, since you only respond to "logic and reason". Want to start discussing the science? Any time now?
He will then resort to his favourite tactic and dismiss your argument as a strawman.
Feel free to point out an argument I called a straw man that wasn't.
GreyICE wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 6:00 am
Okay, so what we've settled:
1) The Republican party is really misinformed about Climate Change, which will kill people.
2) The Republican party's changed pollution regulations will kill people.
3) Darth doesn't care that Republicans are denying science and is fine with their policy killing people. He's conceded it's true, but he thinks it's very unfair to mention it.
4) This conversation is making Darth very uncomfortable, because at some point he'll have to take position statements, and he knows that either he'll have to concede that 1 and 2 above is true, or concede that 3 is.
Hmmmm. Think that about covers it. What will reasonable people think indeed. Feel free to pick a piece of science you have a bone with Darth, since you only respond to "logic and reason". Want to start discussing the science? Any time now?
Never play chess with a pigeon. They'll just shit all over the board and declare victory.
I know of some people on the left who are capable of using logic, facts, and honesty, and just have different priorities than I do. It makes conversations more useful, and more interesting to me.
Darth Wedgius wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 7:14 amI know of some people on the left who are capable of using logic, facts, and honesty, and just have different priorities than I do. It makes conversations more useful, and more interesting to me.
Darth, literally every time I've tried to discuss science and reason, you've insulted me, and dodged any discussion of the science.
1) Care to discuss global warming, how it is man made, and the fact that the Republican party clearly is full of voters, congressmen, and leaders who deny it exists?
2) Care to discuss how Trump's rollback of the clean air act has killed people?
3) Care to post random insults because you are too mentally deficient to handle an actual discussion that uses facts, logic, and reason?
Do I sense that you're going to pick door number 3 again?
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