ICE spraying refugees

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Magnifying mirror, Fuzzy

[Captain Crimson]

You're still spreading and reinforcing lies that help them. What, you think you get a free pass on any propaganda talking points you regurgitate because you helped enough beggars today?

I'm saying that you DO have some power to make things easier for them by reinforcing their lies, which is what you do.

What, specifically, do you think I've said that would make it "propaganda?" With intent to deceive and push an agenda? That is the definition for propaganda.

I don't know anything about your intent or agenda but I think just quoting "propaganda" and implying the definition applys to your words and intent is at least bordering on deception.

I never implied the definition applies. I was implying I am skeptical to their claims. And if there's one thing DS9 taught us, it's that we all have an agenda.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

You're still spreading and reinforcing lies that help them. What, you think you get a free pass on any propaganda talking points you regurgitate because you helped enough beggars today?

I'm saying that you DO have some power to make things easier for them by reinforcing their lies, which is what you do.

What, specifically, do you think I've said that would make it "propaganda?" With intent to deceive and push an agenda? That is the definition for propaganda.

Fine then. Not propaganda. Call it bullshit. You don't exactly say "yes" and you don't exactly say "no". You hem and haw and clutch your pearls and wring your hands about "boy humans sure do some bad things" in response to a clear example of one very bad thing being done by one party under one administration as if all these many evils were equally weighted. The both-sides-do-bad-things, if there's grey morality then all the immorality is the same shade of grey, fair-and-balanced pseudo-neutral bullshit.

It's not both sides that are spraying poison on refugee families in concentration camps. It is one side. It is the agents of the 45th president's Republican administration.

[Captain Crimson]

You're still spreading and reinforcing lies that help them. What, you think you get a free pass on any propaganda talking points you regurgitate because you helped enough beggars today?

I'm saying that you DO have some power to make things easier for them by reinforcing their lies, which is what you do.

What, specifically, do you think I've said that would make it "propaganda?" With intent to deceive and push an agenda? That is the definition for propaganda.

Fine then. Not propaganda. Call it bullshit. You don't exactly say "yes" and you don't exactly say "no". You hem and haw and clutch your pearls and wring your hands about "boy humans sure do some bad things" in response to a clear example of one very bad thing being done by one party under one administration as if all these many evils were equally weighted. The both-sides-do-bad-things, if there's grey morality then all the immorality is the same shade of grey, fair-and-balanced pseudo-neutral bullshit.

It's not both sides that are spraying poison on refugee families in concentration camps. It is one side. It is the agents of the 45th president's Republican administration.

I've heard rumors ICE went back to the administration of Mr. Dubya, in the wake of 9/11. I already go volunteer at soup kitchens and food banks, and I didn't hit the beaches which I very easily could have. So yes. I have no need to feel guilty with you trying to politically shame me.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

ICE goes back a long time. Spraying poison on people in the concentration camps, which is the news article that I made this thread about, does not. It is a specific act, from a specific administration, here and now.

And alright. I can't shame you. You're powerless to affect who's really in power, and you do good things in daily life instead.

Why are you here then, in these threads? Why are you arguing if you don't even have a dog in this fight?

[Captain Crimson]

ICE goes back a long time. Spraying poison on people in the concentration camps, which is the news article that I made this thread about, does not. It is a specific act, from a specific administration, here and now.

And alright. I can't shame you. You're powerless to affect who's really in power, and you do good things in daily life instead.

Why are you here then, in these threads? Why are you arguing if you don't even have a dog in this fight?

Free will.

More specifically, since I've been debating whether or not I was gonna have to stuck my nose into a pile of dog doo for months now, I'd just thought it'd be interesting to see what the political fray is like.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

In April, the advocacy group Freedom For Immigrants published a report about unsanitary conditions at the detention center, where the immigrants were made to clean the facilities with only water, or shampoo. According to their report, there were sick detainees there - possibly with COVID-19, but it’s unclear since they weren’t being tested - and the conditions could easily lead to a situation in which the virus exploded among those there.

The guards are spraying this disinfectant in retaliation for the report. To be clear - HDQ is an industrial-strength disinfectant, which according to the manufacturer is “harmful if inhaled” and “causes severe skin burns and serious eye damage.” The guards are spraying it on everything every 15-30 minutes, according to sources, and immigrants in the center have already experienced severe symptoms including blisters, rashes, bleeding, fainting, breathing difficulties, headaches, stomach pain, and nausea.

And let’s be real - ICE doesn’t give a shit, either about protecting these people or about preventing a COVID outbreak. ICE, according to their own reports, currently has 25,911 people in custody, of which only 2,670 have been tested. 1,392 of those were positive. In simple terms - less than 10% of detainees have been tested. Of those, more than half are positive. We cannot estimate how many sick people ICE is currently holding, or how many more will get sick without any kind of prevention or care.
ICE is killing people through neglect, and when they dared complain - they started gassing them.

Here's the donation link for a group fighting them https://www.aplos.com/aws/give/CIVIC/Freedom-Maker