why does star fleet have so many uniform changes

[chaos42]

I think the issue is that they don't know how star fleet works. i think that the way to fix the issues we are seeing uniform ect is to have an actual organizational structure rules and regulations written before hand not made up for each episode, you can add to the rules as needed but once you make a rule stick with it

its like the no beaming through the shields problem

[Nealithi]

I think the issue is that they don't know how star fleet works. i think that the way to fix the issues we are seeing uniform ect is to have an actual organizational structure rules and regulations written before hand not made up for each episode, you can add to the rules as needed but once you make a rule stick with it

its like the no beaming through the shields problem

And we have to step outside the box and look at it again. To do all this you need a very large and seriously hammered out series bible. And a good sized budget before shooting starts.
For the seriously hammered out concept, look at Troi. She had to be terrible because she was a walking spoiler warning. Deceive the empath? Yeah not happening. So she got blocked often and bad at her job to the point she is a target for people like Chuck. Chuck does not deride Riker, Geordi, nor Data the way he does Troi. Because they were left competent and their skills were usually solid. Troi was all over the map trying to remove her from the equation it seemed.
Why? I think it is similar to the transporter and the ill defined rules of the holodeck. The transporter is also in my second part about budget. The Orville is seen by some as a successor to Trek. It carries some of the hope, but cuts off some of the baggage. Like they had the budget to do shuttles. So no beaming. (If it is there my bad but I have heard it isn't. Oddly I think I need to watch more TV. . .) But the inclusion of the transporter to keep the plot moving without wrecking the budget means it was conceived as a high-tech elevator. Then when episodes were written they had to explain why the transporter was not used to do X. It hadn't been thought of past that initial it solved problems X & Y. But missed it launched its own problems. Couple that with the replicator and it includes a host of issues. But the replicator on its own is less an issue. Because one thing it can't do is make a living cell. It can assemble a cell. But it does not animate. It can reproduce practically any material in small scale. Add in that the square cube law applies to the energy expenditure as you make larger objects and you get why they don't push a button and have a ship built. . . And I feel like my desire to be a writer is distracting me as I think I am off topic now. . .

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Oh I definitely believe you can write further than arms reach. In the case of Star Trek they just write it as it goes along, which I'd think is the defacto standard in writing screen stories unless it's a pre established book series or a special case where like a bunch of movies are planned.

Kill Bill 1/2 was alright. BTTF/Matrix 2+3 is more or less just what it is, more negative in the case of Matrix. I think it's safe to say that all of those movies had more consistency than the sequel trilogy.

BTW when was the klingon dictionary created?

[GreyICE]

I think the issue is that they don't know how star fleet works. i think that the way to fix the issues we are seeing uniform ect is to have an actual organizational structure rules and regulations written before hand not made up for each episode, you can add to the rules as needed but once you make a rule stick with it

its like the no beaming through the shields problem

And we have to step outside the box and look at it again. To do all this you need a very large and seriously hammered out series bible. And a good sized budget before shooting starts.
For the seriously hammered out concept, look at Troi. She had to be terrible because she was a walking spoiler warning. Deceive the empath? Yeah not happening. So she got blocked often and bad at her job to the point she is a target for people like Chuck. Chuck does not deride Riker, Geordi, nor Data the way he does Troi. Because they were left competent and their skills were usually solid. Troi was all over the map trying to remove her from the equation it seemed.

Yeah, a series bible would be a huge thing. Although on the Troi part, I think that Troi and Worf are so annoying because they're never allowed to be good at what they do. Like how many episodes does Geordi's engineering solve a major problem? So when it doesn't, we know the problem is serious. In contrast, how often does Worf win a fist fight or Troi actually solve a problem?

A series bible would have tied them to things like "Worf usually wins hand to hand combat". Like imagine Lore challenges him to combat, and then starts getting his ass beat, and has to pull out some android trick like suspending gravity in the turbolift, or hitting him with an off-button hypospray?
In the Witcher books, Geralt almost always wins in sword fights, often against multiple opponents. So when someone stops, picks up a sword, and then proceeds to spank Geralt with it like he's being attacked by a small child, it's one of those "pause and reconsider everything you thought you knew" moments.

So yeah, this is probably symptomatic of a much bigger problem than uniforms, or ranks, or fucking anything.

[chaos42]

i wasn't intending to go in this direction it just kinda when there but it is something ive though about since i learned about series bibles that are used for some shows and series and i think that if they want to keep star trek going i think that a detailed series bible should be made to fix some of the issue. I seriously think it would be something that could be done and more easily than you think. many fans have already done a lot of the work of compiling existing series info on memory alpha and beta it would a lot less difficult these days to write up something to cover the on going trek universe and iron out some issues of plot and procedure. Plus i would like it if they stopped changing the uniforms so much its annoying. instead of having all the uniforms changed just make small modifications to them like additions of vests or some other small add on


And yes troi is an issue she is fairly terribly written. i do wish they would have written her better as of all the characters she was one of the ones i had the least interest in as she didn't do much. plus i remember she was fairly useless in the star trek ccg game

[Scififan]

Well it happens in real world military. So just out of curiosity, want is your favorite uniform? I personally liked the red Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan version.

[Scififan]

Watsonian: every Star Fleet admiral we ever see, is either a traitor or incompetent or both. They demand uncomfortable uniforms just for shits and giggles.

Doylean: they sell more uniforms, they sell more action figures.

Admiral Forester was okay.

[TGLS]

Watsonian: every Star Fleet admiral we ever see, is either a traitor or incompetent or both. They demand uncomfortable uniforms just for shits and giggles.

Doylean: they sell more uniforms, they sell more action figures.

Admiral Forester was okay.

And that's why the Enterprise uniforms looked comfy. The as of yet unseen Earth-Romulan War era Uniforms were designed by Archer.

[chaos42]

the problem with that pic of the progression of military uniforms is that it happens over time look how fast the tng onwords uniforms changed and how drastically different they are its dones so often it make little to no sense, plus as i said the design some times follows a progressive style or changing small details over time other times its extremely jarring shift in design.

also the red star trek wrath of khan uniforms i like a lot too they do seem like military uniforms which is what star fleet is the only thing i think they need is a holster on them for a phaser and tricorder - the movies they usually wore a coat or just had the phaser in hand

[Beastro]

So just out of curiosity, want is your favorite uniform? I personally liked the red Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan version.

Well of course, it's the most militaristic one, and thus the most fitting for their job.

Uniforms are designed a certain way for a reason, and it's not just for practical reasons, it's also to make the wearer feel like a professional badass.

Mine is the original uniform. Older styles had, well, a style. They've become increasingly bland and soulless.