Archon_Wing wrote:They probably would have overthrown the monarchy regardless given its state anyways. Maybe they would have been a Socialist Democracy instead. But without Communists, Hitler wouldn't be able to feed off that fear.
If Stalin doesn't come to power, than note that the Great Purges would probably not happen and the Russians may be more able to handle the initial German attacks. Even with the pulse cannons of the future, the Germans would run into the same trouble of replacing/maintaining them as with the rest of their more advanced toys. It's only a matter of time before partisans steal these weapons if they were to be used en masse. Incidentally, doesn't anyone find it disturbing that Trek people fight in close combat just wearing those Uniforms and no protection? (Except when budget allows I guess?) I suppose the reasoning is that protection would be futile anyways against other energy weapons but at the same time that makes them horrifically vulnerable to just conventional weapons or even just debris. And then you see Klingons invading DS9 with bathleths and Worf taking out Borg with them.
Then again, it's so hard to gauge the effectiveness of Trek weapons. I mean you have phasers that range from vaporizing people to mildly annoying them. I mean sure, there's settings but you see this in a lot.
It would seem that biological warfare would probably be the best way to gain an advantage and insta-melt gasses are common in the future. Apparently it did get brought up in this episode although an AntiNon-Aryan virus sounds like a racist's wet dream.
I guess you have to give the episode credit for them pointing it'd be hard even with future weapons that usually serve as magic given the franchise's love of technobabble.
Earth would become quite the wasteland regardless.
Trek has always been a problem when it comes to military action. Star Trek Enterprise had to retroactively introduce the MACO, an actual military unit and even they had less of any type of body armor when the Trek universe clearly has some form of protection for that sort of thing.
It goes back to the idea of how anti-military Gene Roddenberry's vision of the future for humans is...even though he introduced militaristic races like the Klingons and Romulans.
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I'm nearing these episodes in my first viewing of Enterprise.(My overall thoughts so far? It's mostly boring and the temporal cold war stuff really weakens a lot of better ideas of the series.) I'm curious to see how awful(or not awful.) this two-parter is.
King of the owls wrote:I'm nearing these episodes in my first viewing of Enterprise.(My overall thoughts so far? It's mostly boring and the temporal cold war stuff really weakens a lot of better ideas of the series.) I'm curious to see how awful(or not awful.) this two-parter is.
Enterprise vs laser stukas, its either entertaingly bad or stupidly good.
Archon_Wing wrote:They probably would have overthrown the monarchy regardless given its state anyways. Maybe they would have been a Socialist Democracy instead. But without Communists, Hitler wouldn't be able to feed off that fear.
If Stalin doesn't come to power, than note that the Great Purges would probably not happen and the Russians may be more able to handle the initial German attacks. Even with the pulse cannons of the future, the Germans would run into the same trouble of replacing/maintaining them as with the rest of their more advanced toys. It's only a matter of time before partisans steal these weapons if they were to be used en masse. Incidentally, doesn't anyone find it disturbing that Trek people fight in close combat just wearing those Uniforms and no protection? (Except when budget allows I guess?) I suppose the reasoning is that protection would be futile anyways against other energy weapons but at the same time that makes them horrifically vulnerable to just conventional weapons or even just debris. And then you see Klingons invading DS9 with bathleths and Worf taking out Borg with them.
Then again, it's so hard to gauge the effectiveness of Trek weapons. I mean you have phasers that range from vaporizing people to mildly annoying them. I mean sure, there's settings but you see this in a lot.
It would seem that biological warfare would probably be the best way to gain an advantage and insta-melt gasses are common in the future. Apparently it did get brought up in this episode although an AntiNon-Aryan virus sounds like a racist's wet dream.
I guess you have to give the episode credit for them pointing it'd be hard even with future weapons that usually serve as magic given the franchise's love of technobabble.
Earth would become quite the wasteland regardless.
Trek has always been a problem when it comes to military action. Star Trek Enterprise had to retroactively introduce the MACO, an actual military unit and even they had less of any type of body armor when the Trek universe clearly has some form of protection for that sort of thing.
It goes back to the idea of how anti-military Gene Roddenberry's vision of the future for humans is...even though he introduced militaristic races like the Klingons and Romulans.
I always though the whole "not military even though we love our fancy weapons" was mostly a tng thing. Tos was kinda wacky but we were always told it was dangerous especially for red shirts but tng went with the "we have preschools on the Enterprise " and the bridge resembles a living room.
And of course, weapons being as powerful as writers decide was a problem. It is certainly hard to imagine when even modern technology causes such widespread destruction so they're prlbaly limited to future firearms which would only be available to the elites, since future technology in the hands of people not used to them could lead to too much friendly fire as well as resources being a problem .
Now from what I gather, the current state did not involve aliens yet for the most part, considering the general accused them of just promises with no substance. Just can't imagine the UK falling.
Sorry I didn't get around to adding the link to Part 1 when it dropped. I was on time-out. *eyeroll* Not the first time I've had to deal with that kinda shit this month. I was put in Twitter jail a few weeks ago, because I told a bunch of anti-vegan thugs who were harrasing me in my mentions to die in a fire. Not that I'd set them on fire myself, just "Die in a fire." If I had directly threatened them, Twitter would've let that go. Hell, if I'd threatened women or Jews they'd have probably given me a Verified mark. :/
