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Nevix wrote:
Independent George wrote:
Nevix wrote:ALSO! Cannibalism is the cause of a LOT of different diseases, conditions, and other issues! It's not something that would be recreational, as it would result in random outbreaks of things like a human equivalent of Mad Cow Disease, among other issues!
Not if it's a cloned human, though. If you've got the technology to clone a human body, you've got the technology to screen for prions or other contaminants.
Hmm. Okay. That's one of the many issues of cannibalism mitigated.

That still doesn't prevent the other issues, like the buildup of certain compounds in the body from consuming human flesh, from happening. So... yeah, there would still be other symptoms beyond the risk of disease, even with the technicality of clones.
Do you have a source for that?

From what I've learned, most of the cannibalism-related problems are more diseases that can be >>transmitted<< by cannibalism, not the act itself, and even then much of that can be averted by choosing the right cuts of meat and leaving out the more dubious tissues.
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animalia wrote:
Nevix wrote:
Independent George wrote:
Nevix wrote:ALSO! Cannibalism is the cause of a LOT of different diseases, conditions, and other issues! It's not something that would be recreational, as it would result in random outbreaks of things like a human equivalent of Mad Cow Disease, among other issues!
Not if it's a cloned human, though. If you've got the technology to clone a human body, you've got the technology to screen for prions or other contaminants.
Hmm. Okay. That's one of the many issues of cannibalism mitigated.

That still doesn't prevent the other issues, like the buildup of certain compounds in the body from consuming human flesh, from happening. So... yeah, there would still be other symptoms beyond the risk of disease, even with the technicality of clones.
What compounds may I ask? I would like to know what these issues are.
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Nevix wrote:
Independent George wrote:
Nevix wrote:ALSO! Cannibalism is the cause of a LOT of different diseases, conditions, and other issues! It's not something that would be recreational, as it would result in random outbreaks of things like a human equivalent of Mad Cow Disease, among other issues!
Not if it's a cloned human, though. If you've got the technology to clone a human body, you've got the technology to screen for prions or other contaminants.
Hmm. Okay. That's one of the many issues of cannibalism mitigated.

That still doesn't prevent the other issues, like the buildup of certain compounds in the body from consuming human flesh, from happening. So... yeah, there would still be other symptoms beyond the risk of disease, even with the technicality of clones.
Do you have a source for that?

From what I've learned, most of the cannibalism-related problems are more diseases that can be >>transmitted<< by cannibalism, not the act itself, and even then much of that can be averted by choosing the right cuts of meat and leaving out the more dubious tissues.
"The People Eater's legs are grotesquely swollen, possibly from gout. However, if one takes his name at face value, that he is a cannibal, another possibility emerges. A real-life effect of cannibalism is, among other things, extreme swelling of the extremities. This is typically caused if the flesh is diseased, such as by AIDS or other diseases that would likely be commonplace in the post-apocalyptic world seen in the Mad Max films. Conclusion: It is highly likely that the People Eater is indeed a cannibal."

Also related to potential disease transmission, and it's hard to find anything that goes into other affects of cannibalism.

Gout is another issue, caused by the buildup of uric acid from breaking down large amounts of purines, which are present in the human body in all tissues.

Most articles focus on the prion based diseases, but they're not the only issues of cannibalism.
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Purines are part of pretty much any sort of meat (and beer). The assumption that human meat is somehow flawed in terms of a diet, beyond the general problems associated with the consumption of flesh in general, is false. All there is to canibalism, in comparsion to really any mostly or completely meat-based diet, is an increased risk of contracting human diseases.
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Madner Kami wrote:Purines are part of pretty much any sort of meat (and beer). The assumption that human meat is somehow flawed in terms of a diet, beyond the general problems associated with the consumption of flesh in general, is false. All there is to canibalism, in comparsion to really any mostly or completely meat-based diet, is an increased risk of contracting human diseases.
And the moral hazards.
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Nevix wrote:
Madner Kami wrote:Purines are part of pretty much any sort of meat (and beer). The assumption that human meat is somehow flawed in terms of a diet, beyond the general problems associated with the consumption of flesh in general, is false. All there is to canibalism, in comparsion to really any mostly or completely meat-based diet, is an increased risk of contracting human diseases.
And the moral hazards.
As long as the consumption of human flesh does not involve killing a living human being, I don't see any moral problems.
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I really have to admire the narrative cleverness of using a cloning facility as a quick place to hide a body.
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Madner Kami wrote:
Nevix wrote:
Madner Kami wrote:Purines are part of pretty much any sort of meat (and beer). The assumption that human meat is somehow flawed in terms of a diet, beyond the general problems associated with the consumption of flesh in general, is false. All there is to canibalism, in comparsion to really any mostly or completely meat-based diet, is an increased risk of contracting human diseases.
And the moral hazards.
As long as the consumption of human flesh does not involve killing a living human being, I don't see any moral problems.
Personally, I don't see much difference between killing someone, and growing a braindead person deliberately.
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Nevix wrote:
Madner Kami wrote:
Nevix wrote:
Madner Kami wrote:Purines are part of pretty much any sort of meat (and beer). The assumption that human meat is somehow flawed in terms of a diet, beyond the general problems associated with the consumption of flesh in general, is false. All there is to canibalism, in comparsion to really any mostly or completely meat-based diet, is an increased risk of contracting human diseases.
And the moral hazards.
As long as the consumption of human flesh does not involve killing a living human being, I don't see any moral problems.
Personally, I don't see much difference between killing someone, and growing a braindead person deliberately.
One hunk of flesh was a person once. The other hunk of flesh, never was a person to begin with. In one case, you kill a living, thinking thing, in the other case, you killed something that didn't even really live to begin with.
What makes a human a human, is a pretty major theme in Cyberpunk and my stance on it is simple: A bunch of cells does not constitute a human being. What makes a human a human, is his mind. Those cloned bodies lack exactly this qualifier, they're basically barely more than an embryo, though considerably larger. Outside of the culturally infused revulsion of eating human flesh, I have no reason to see any moral objections, as, literally, noone gets killed.
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Madner Kami wrote:
Nevix wrote:
Madner Kami wrote:
Nevix wrote:
Madner Kami wrote:Purines are part of pretty much any sort of meat (and beer). The assumption that human meat is somehow flawed in terms of a diet, beyond the general problems associated with the consumption of flesh in general, is false. All there is to canibalism, in comparsion to really any mostly or completely meat-based diet, is an increased risk of contracting human diseases.
And the moral hazards.
As long as the consumption of human flesh does not involve killing a living human being, I don't see any moral problems.
Personally, I don't see much difference between killing someone, and growing a braindead person deliberately.
One hunk of flesh was a person once. The other hunk of flesh, never was a person to begin with. In one case, you kill a living, thinking thing, in the other case, you killed something that didn't even really live to begin with.
What makes a human a human, is a pretty major theme in Cyberpunk and my stance on it is simple: A bunch of cells does not constitute a human being. What makes a human a human, is his mind. Those cloned bodies lack exactly this qualifier, they're basically barely more than an embryo, though considerably larger. Outside of the culturally infused revulsion of eating human flesh, I have no reason to see any moral objections, as, literally, noone gets killed.
Thing is to me it reflects a common misconception of how Cloning works to suggest you could grow a human body that was never alive. Clonning is basically artificial insemination with an are artificially created sperm.
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MithrandirOlorin wrote:Thing is to me it reflects a common misconception of how Cloning works to suggest you could grow a human body that was never alive. Clonning is basically artificial insemination with an are artificially created sperm.
Not necessarily, there are other ways of creating a zygote then stuffing a sperm into an egg. Besides that, the question is, what is cloned? If you modify the genetics of the to-be-cloned being into not developing a brain, then it may be a human body, but it doesn't qualify as a human, much less a human being.
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