Is theft a crime?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

And as far as intentionally depriving someone of their wealth, it's not a very significant distinction.

What would fraud have to do with it?

[Riedquat]

And as far as intentionally depriving someone of their wealth, it's not a very significant distinction.

What would fraud have to do with it?

Because it sounds closer to fraud than theft.

[Darth Wedgius]

Fraud can get criminal penalties, but then you get the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard, and a verbal agreement probably falls short of that. A lot of people making the same claim, that might convince a judge or jury.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

And as far as intentionally depriving someone of their wealth, it's not a very significant distinction.

What would fraud have to do with it?

Because it sounds closer to fraud than theft.

The fact that it's fraud doesn't preclude it from being theft.

[Mickey_Rat15]

Should not living up to your contractual obligations be treated the same as a mugging or a burglary? Maybe.

Should not paying rent or your car payment be treated as a mugging or burglary?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Should not living up to your contractual obligations be treated the same as a mugging or a burglary? Maybe.

Should not paying rent or your car payment be treated as a mugging or burglary?

People get away with murder when someone intrudes inside their home.

[Beastro]

Should not living up to your contractual obligations be treated the same as a mugging or a burglary? Maybe.

Should not paying rent or your car payment be treated as a mugging or burglary?

People get away with murder when someone intrudes inside their home.

That comes with the safe assumption that anyone who would do such a thing most likely is doing it armed with a deadly weapon to leave no witnesses if they're merely coming to rob the place (or just want to rape you).

The unknown element opens up a different avenue and permits the occupant greater leeway. That is completely different if the occupant of the kind just itching for their big moment to gun someone down and someone just happens to do something to provide the excuse to socially permit them to take a life as they so desire.

If it can be demonstrated that such was the mentality of the occupant and not self-defense, then yes, that is murder.

[Beastro]

What is wage theft?

Because whining at people for not googling things is never productive:

Wage theft is the denial of wages or employee benefits rightfully owed to an employee. It can be conducted by employers in various ways, among them failing to pay overtime; violating minimum-wage laws; the misclassification of employees as independent contractors, illegal deductions in pay; forcing employees to work "off the clock", not paying annual leave or holiday entitlements, or simply not paying an employee at all.

Must be an American thing.

Has happened for a loooong time.

Most soldiers and sailors for centuries had their wages in war tied up in arrears for years afterwards due to the demands of war.

[Darth Wedgius]

People have been getting away with murder for a long time. The castle doctrine ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine ) lets people get away with what some people would consider murder but the law doesn't. As does "stay your ground." Or eating meat.

[Mickey_Rat15]

Should not living up to your contractual obligations be treated the same as a mugging or a burglary? Maybe.

Should not paying rent or your car payment be treated as a mugging or burglary?

People get away with murder when someone intrudes inside their home.

What does that have to do with what my original post?

Should a failure to give a contractually olbigatory monetary renumeration be treated as a crime exactly like theft?