DS9 - Tribunal

[Madner Kami]

So Nazis and Hitler are worse than all the other mass-murders, because Mussolini and Franco weren't as bad as Hitler? Glad that Mao and Stalin are just as bad compared to each other, otherwise Communism would be just as easy to pick on. What an interesting logic.

[TGLS]

So Nazis and Hitler are worse than all the other mass-murders, because Mussolini and Franco weren't as bad as Hitler? Glad that Mao and Stalin are just as bad compared to each other, otherwise Communism would be just as easy to pick on. What an interesting logic.

It's more like you can't support Nazism without supporting Hitler, but you can support Communism without supporting Mao or Stalin. An example without Hitler; you can't support Juche without supporting the Kim dynasty.

[Madner Kami]

So Nazis and Hitler are worse than all the other mass-murders, because Mussolini and Franco weren't as bad as Hitler? Glad that Mao and Stalin are just as bad compared to each other, otherwise Communism would be just as easy to pick on. What an interesting logic.

It's more like you can't support Nazism without supporting Hitler, but you can support Communism without supporting Mao or Stalin. An example without Hitler; you can't support Juche without supporting the Kim dynasty.

You can't pick and choose, who represents a given socio-political movement. Stalin and Mao are eternally tied to communism, as Hitler is to Nazism or Facism. Trying to do that is a transparent attempt at obfuscating the past.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Nazism is though pretty particular. I think it has a distinction of involving social eugenics to bolster its homoethnic state, but I don't think neo nazis really care about the mad-scientist aspect of it and are instead mainly just boneheads.

Communism on the other hand was more co-opted, but socialism isn't really an invalid form to describe what they were doing as set out by their charter. Hitler said that he was doing socialism but was clearly not, which is the basis for people calling them Nazis, which is an Indian rooted term meaning backwards socialism or something.

[Madner Kami]

Hitler said that he was doing socialism but was clearly not, which is the basis for people calling them Nazis, which is an Indian rooted term meaning backwards socialism or something.

You know, it's things like these that make it hard for me to assess, whether you are true to your word or just a wierd kind of troll. Nazi is a portmanteau, made from the words National and Socialism (Sozialismus in German, hence the z). They were National-Socialists, Nationalsozialisten.

[FlynnTaggart]

I think it has a distinction of involving social eugenics to bolster its homoethnic state,

I read that as "homoerotic state" for a moment. The Nazis were pretty sharp dressers always interested in the ideal male form.

Seriously though, atleast in my thankfully limited experience some Neo-Nutzis care about the social eugenics aspect in their own stupid ass way, not quite cranial measurements but certainly some were all about their "pure" family trees and marrying pure women. One of my sisters actually had some piece of crap break up with her because she mentioned that our "mutt" family has a black great grandfather on the maternal side, apparently our whiter then a cocaine party in a snow storm skin wasn't white enough for that moron (in my sisters defense, one of the few times that will happen, she didn't know he was a racist piece of garbage when they got together but only afterwards).

Most however are the dumbass "white pride" morons who are probably closer in ideology to the Kim Kardashian Klub sheet wearers but I'm sure there is plenty of overlap between the two groups, shit tends to stick together.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Hitler said that he was doing socialism but was clearly not, which is the basis for people calling them Nazis, which is an Indian rooted term meaning backwards socialism or something.

You know, it's things like these that make it hard for me to assess, whether you are true to your word or just a wierd kind of troll. Nazi is a portmanteau, made from the words National and Socialism (Sozialismus in German, hence the z). They were National-Socialists, Nationalsozialisten.

So I guess yeah it's not Indian, not sure where they fit in. It's a composite of two different words that wasn't in use by the Nazis themselves. The idea that it was coined somewhere else isn't that far out.

But either way:

Etymology
From German Nazi, a shortening of Nationalsozialist (“National Socialist”) (attested since 1903, as a shortening of national-sozial),[1] since in German the nati- in national /ˌnatsi̯oˈnaːl/ is approximately pronounced Nazi [ˈnäːtsi]; compare Sozi (“socialist”).[1] A homonymic term Nazi was in use before the rise of the NSDAP in Bavaria as a pet name for Ignaz and (by extension from that) a derogatory word for a backwards peasant, which may have influenced[2] the use of that abbreviation by the Nazis' opponents and its avoidance by the Nazis themselves.[1][3]

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I think it has a distinction of involving social eugenics to bolster its homoethnic state,

I read that as "homoerotic state" for a moment. The Nazis were pretty sharp dressers always interested in the ideal male form.

Seriously though, atleast in my thankfully limited experience some Neo-Nutzis care about the social eugenics aspect in their own stupid ass way, not quite cranial measurements but certainly some were all about their "pure" family trees and marrying pure women. One of my sisters actually had some piece of crap break up with her because she mentioned that our "mutt" family has a black great grandfather on the maternal side, apparently our whiter then a cocaine party in a snow storm skin wasn't white enough for that moron (in my sisters defense, one of the few times that will happen, she didn't know he was a racist piece of garbage when they got together but only afterwards).

Most however are the dumbass "white pride" morons who are probably closer in ideology to the Kim Kardashian Klub sheet wearers but I'm sure there is plenty of overlap between the two groups, shit tends to stick together.

Yeah I forgot that biological essentialism is pretty inherent in there belief structure as well, which yeah corresponds to what you're talking about. Minor correction but worth noting.

[TGLS]

So Nazis and Hitler are worse than all the other mass-murders, because Mussolini and Franco weren't as bad as Hitler? Glad that Mao and Stalin are just as bad compared to each other, otherwise Communism would be just as easy to pick on. What an interesting logic.

It's more like you can't support Nazism without supporting Hitler, but you can support Communism without supporting Mao or Stalin. An example without Hitler; you can't support Juche without supporting the Kim dynasty.

You can't pick and choose, who represents a given socio-political movement. Stalin and Mao are eternally tied to communism, as Hitler is to Nazism or Facism. Trying to do that is a transparent attempt at obfuscating the past.

Well, that's a fair position. The main point I'm trying to make is that Hitler is originator and most famous (or rather infamous) adherent to national-socialism. A recent communist (see Eurocommunists in France and Italy, for example) could argue that they completely repudiate Stalin and Mao and whoever, and they base their thought on Trotsky or Bukharin or whoever. A Nazi who repudiates Hitler is left with no one else to point at for their philosophy. Any comparisons with modern China and their relation with Maoism are left up to the reader.

[Robovski]

So Nazis and Hitler are worse than all the other mass-murders, because Mussolini and Franco weren't as bad as Hitler? Glad that Mao and Stalin are just as bad compared to each other, otherwise Communism would be just as easy to pick on. What an interesting logic.

It's more like you can't support Nazism without supporting Hitler, but you can support Communism without supporting Mao or Stalin. An example without Hitler; you can't support Juche without supporting the Kim dynasty.

You can't pick and choose, who represents a given socio-political movement. Stalin and Mao are eternally tied to communism, as Hitler is to Nazism or Facism. Trying to do that is a transparent attempt at obfuscating the past.

Well, that's a fair position. The main point I'm trying to make is that Hitler is originator and most famous (or rather infamous) adherent to national-socialism. A recent communist (see Eurocommunists in France and Italy, for example) could argue that they completely repudiate Stalin and Mao and whoever, and they base their thought on Trotsky or Bukharin or whoever. A Nazi who repudiates Hitler is left with no one else to point at for their philosophy. Any comparisons with modern China and their relation with Maoism are left up to the reader.

Just going to be "that guy" for a moment and if you wanted a Fascist to point to that wasn't Hitler you have Mussolini and other smaller examples*. Additionally, if they can point at failed leaders who were not in charge of countries, then so could those advocating Fascism. DISCLAIMER: I am not advocating fascism or fascists.

*I'm not googling fascist leaders who aren't Nazis because I'm not that interested; Mussolini is big enough he cam to me without research.