Remember how the Mainstream Media said they won't be coming for Jefferson and Washington Next?

[G-Man]

What? The US is still going exist regardless of who's running it, the fight is for what form it will take.

Something will exist, but it won't be the United States in any real sense, any more than the Mayan Empire exists because there are people living on the land that used to be the Mayan Empire.

And I rather it take the form that doesn't lead to folks like me (an autistic pansexual) being relabeled as mentally ill and/or being hunted down like rabid dogs. That's more likely to happen if the current administration stays in power.

So we are supposed to support the people who would destroy our connection to our history and make us nothing more than subjects of, in effect, a giant geographical district of a corporation because you want society to approve of your sex life?

As for hunting you down like a dog, (1) that's ridiculous; and (2) recent events seem to make it much more likely that your side is the one who, if they get power, will hunt people down and destroy their lives.

Oh, and, genuinely curious, how would The Left 'replace America'? And with what? And can you define 'America' in terms of what would be replaced?

Replace the people, replace the view of its history, replace its political philosophy. America is a people, a history that those people lived in, and a culture that derives from that people and their history.

Oh, and their goal is to replace it with "The Third-World ShitHole Formerly Known as the United States."

[Darth Wedgius]

I have no interest in policing the activities of people who have been systematically ignored by government, which is the only relevant commentary on the targeting of specific statues and similar monuments.

It's an odd time when some people aren't held responsible for their own actions, and others are held responsible for the actions of others.

You're OK saying racist things if there's no likelihood of harm coming from them. Apparently you're also OK with some people performing actions that others would not, based on the color of their skin.

[ProfessorDetective]

What? The US is still going exist regardless of who's running it, the fight is for what form it will take.

Something will exist, but it won't be the United States in any real sense, any more than the Mayan Empire exists because there are people living on the land that used to be the Mayan Empire.

And I rather it take the form that doesn't lead to folks like me (an autistic pansexual) being relabeled as mentally ill and/or being hunted down like rabid dogs. That's more likely to happen if the current administration stays in power.

So we are supposed to support the people who would destroy our connection to our history and make us nothing more than subjects of, in effect, a giant geographical district of a corporation because you want society to approve of your sex life?

As for hunting you down like a dog, (1) that's ridiculous; and (2) recent events seem to make it much more likely that your side is the one who, if they get power, will hunt people down and destroy their lives.

Oh, and, genuinely curious, how would The Left 'replace America'? And with what? And can you define 'America' in terms of what would be replaced?

Replace the people, replace the view of its history, replace its political philosophy. America is a people, a history that those people lived in, and a culture that derives from that people and their history.

Oh, and their goal is to replace it with "The Third-World ShitHole Formerly Known as the United States."

1) I don't want to be thrown into an asylum for being attracted to men or being a touch slower in school. And there ARE folks who would see me killed for that, as well.

2) That's a bit vague. Describe 'the people' and their 'philosophy', since I've never known us to have just ONE of each. The perception of history I can see, but, typically, they're trying to BROADEN it, giving a spotlight to those people and groups who hadn't been even acknowledged before.

3) Depending on who you ask, we're already there. Groups like Remote Area Medical have dedicated teams just for the US because of how inadequate our medical coverage is.

[Beastro]

1) I don't want to be thrown into an asylum for being attracted to men or being a touch slower in school. And there ARE folks who would see me killed for that, as well.

The issue I see is the possible perception of yours that you political opponents all want that.

As a pretty conservative person I'll say that whatever disagreements we might have over such an issue, anyone in the West wanting to be like ISIS thugs who'd want to throw you off of a building for that deserve to be thrown off one themselves.

We are more common they you might think (or might like to).

[ProfessorDetective]

1) I don't want to be thrown into an asylum for being attracted to men or being a touch slower in school. And there ARE folks who would see me killed for that, as well.

The issue I see is the possible perception of yours that you political opponents all want that.

As a pretty conservative person I'll say that whatever disagreements we might have over such an issue, anyone in the West wanting to be like ISIS thugs who'd want to throw you off of a building for that deserve to be thrown off one themselves.

We are more common they you might think (or might like to).

Sadly, they are probably not the ones currently in power. The sentiment is appreciated, though.

[Darth Wedgius]

What? The US is still going exist regardless of who's running it, the fight is for what form it will take.

Something will exist, but it won't be the United States in any real sense, any more than the Mayan Empire exists because there are people living on the land that used to be the Mayan Empire.

And I rather it take the form that doesn't lead to folks like me (an autistic pansexual) being relabeled as mentally ill and/or being hunted down like rabid dogs. That's more likely to happen if the current administration stays in power.

So we are supposed to support the people who would destroy our connection to our history and make us nothing more than subjects of, in effect, a giant geographical district of a corporation because you want society to approve of your sex life?

As for hunting you down like a dog, (1) that's ridiculous; and (2) recent events seem to make it much more likely that your side is the one who, if they get power, will hunt people down and destroy their lives.

Oh, and, genuinely curious, how would The Left 'replace America'? And with what? And can you define 'America' in terms of what would be replaced?

Replace the people, replace the view of its history, replace its political philosophy. America is a people, a history that those people lived in, and a culture that derives from that people and their history.

Oh, and their goal is to replace it with "The Third-World ShitHole Formerly Known as the United States."

1) I don't want to be thrown into an asylum for being attracted to men or being a touch slower in school. And there ARE folks who would see me killed for that, as well.

2) That's a bit vague. Describe 'the people' and their 'philosophy', since I've never known us to have just ONE of each. The perception of history I can see, but, typically, they're trying to BROADEN it, giving a spotlight to those people and groups who hadn't been even acknowledged before.

3) Depending on who you ask, we're already there. Groups like Remote Area Medical have dedicated teams just for the US because of how inadequate our medical coverage is.

When has Trump ever hinted that he wants gay people put into treatment or concentration camps or gassed or whatever?

[Beastro]

Sadly, they are probably not the ones currently in power. The sentiment is appreciated, though.

You underestimate how live and let live most are. That doesn't mean to say they're nice, but they certainly don't want anyone medicalized much less dead.

As for those in power, consider how much that might be some part of you wanting to feel those in power feel that way and how it might play on your anxieties about things. I certainly know from my background how fundie types can feel about "those in power" and how they always seem to feel that they're always just on the verge of going after Christians.

When has Trump ever hinted that he wants gay people put into treatment or concentration camps or gassed or whatever?

I think his fear is that Trump might not nominally, but how he might pander, he could throw those types who want that a bone to placate them. Or who knows what's going on with Trump? He could do anything.

This same thing happened with some Christians I knew and Obama for eight years. No matter the position Obama might have stood on in their eyes, from genuine Christian to Muslim in disguise, there was always the worry he was going to throw them to the wolves and was just building to that, because he was their foe, and being their foe, he could do anything.

[phantom000]

We have a large population that don't want to be Americans, they want to replace America.

A fitting description. I scoff at that slogan; "make America great again" because it seems to ignore the darkside of our history. It seems to look only at the good parts of history and casually ignores the genocide, bigotry, blind aggression and naked greed.

Now it seems we have people doing the opposite, trying to erase all the bad parts while ignoring the triumphs and achievements of the past.

One side won't take the bad with the good and the other can't accept the bad with the good. And they wonder why a lot of people just shake their heads and walk away.

[CmdrKing]

When has Trump ever hinted that he wants gay people put into treatment or concentration camps or gassed or whatever?

When he took on Pence as VP.

But more saliently, the issue is not whether Trump, personally, has any interest in specific of criminalizing being queer. The key questions are:
1) would he do so to appease parts of his constituency?
2) would he oppose members of his administration if they did so under guise of same?
3) would conservatives as a whole lift a finger to oppose the administration if such a thing came to pass.

The first question Seems to be yes. He’s already made moves in this direction with trans folk, the rest of the queer community usually follows after that.
So he definitely wouldn’t OPPOSE such measures.

And we’ve seen with the literal concentration camps we have that the average conservative voter will without fail either deny, downplay, or SUPPORT the abuse of marginalized peoples so long as some underlying “crime” can be levied against them.

So the best option is to prevent conservatives from having the slightest access to the levers of power.

[ProfessorDetective]

When has Trump ever hinted that he wants gay people put into treatment or concentration camps or gassed or whatever?

When he took on Pence as VP.

But more saliently, the issue is not whether Trump, personally, has any interest in specific of criminalizing being queer. The key questions are:
1) would he do so to appease parts of his constituency?
2) would he oppose members of his administration if they did so under guise of same?
3) would conservatives as a whole lift a finger to oppose the administration if such a thing came to pass.

The first question seems to be yes. He’s already made moves in this direction with trans folk, the rest of the queer community usually follows after that.
So he definitely wouldn’t OPPOSE such measures.

And we’ve seen with the literal concentration camps we have that the average conservative voter will without fail either deny, downplay, or SUPPORT the abuse of marginalized peoples so long as some underlying “crime” can be levied against them.

So the best option is to prevent conservatives from having the slightest access to the levers of power.

Couldn't have said it better, myself...

Besides replacing 'qu**r' with 'non-cishet' because I am NOT an unnatural aberrati...! Sorry, minor point, in the grand scheme.

Anyway, agreed. He doesn't have to be anti-LGBT+, he just has to be willing to let those that ARE run amok.