Tribunal - Cardassian courts and our own

[GreyICE]

The best estimates are all 4.1%, 5%, in there. No one thinks .125% is accurate. For death row convictions, 4.1% are false. Since the death penalty requires the highest standards of evidence, 4.1% is the floor. https://www.innocenceproject.org/national-academy-of-sciences-reports-four-percent-of-death-row-inmates-are-innocent/

So if 4.1% false convictions is the floor, what's the actual number? The true number could easily be as high as 10%: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/innocence-is-irrelevant/534171/

So the question is "how good is the 90-96% accurate Cardassian system?" And I'd hope the answer from less people would be "wow, that's actually pretty good!" Anyone who calls 90% right okay better not think what they have is a "justice system".

As an aside, it's hilarious how many people are like "hey, the literal fascist society based on a mix of Mussolini and Nazi Germany is actually pretty okay!"

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

It's easy to make the theoretical case that one is unacceptable imo.

There is though the degree of accounted accidents. The degree to which we hold standards against that is a question of itself for what it's worth. For instance, formal investigations have to account for what reasons led to what decisions. If it's just the case that the jury finds the wrong person convincingly contempt of law then it's a pretty big subjective breakdown.

[Beastro]

As an aside, it's hilarious how many people are like "hey, the literal fascist society based on a mix of Mussolini and Nazi Germany is actually pretty okay!"

That isn't limited to just those kinds of idiots.

Going back centuries is admiration for the Spartans, which if you take a good, hard look at their society, is one destroyed by their exacting demand for quality from their people to the point they bred themselves into irrelevance.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

As an aside, it's hilarious how many people are like "hey, the literal fascist society based on a mix of Mussolini and Nazi Germany is actually pretty okay!"

The devil always has plenty of advocates.

[Darth Wedgius]

Actually, people who estimated .125% thought it was accurate. 10% is pretty silly when even the Innocence Project thinks 5% is the upper range.

But whatever lies you have to tell yourself to get to the conclusions you've already arrived at, hey, have fun.

[clearspira]

As an aside, it's hilarious how many people are like "hey, the literal fascist society based on a mix of Mussolini and Nazi Germany is actually pretty okay!"

That isn't limited to just those kinds of idiots.

Going back centuries is admiration for the Spartans, which if you take a good, hard look at their society, is one destroyed by their exacting demand for quality from their people to the point they bred themselves into irrelevance.

The Spartans were also the most progressive state of the ancient world and then some. They had freedoms for women that were arguably not bettered by many until modern times. Tell a Spartan woman to cover her face in public or not to be able to leave the house without a male relative and she would most likely chop your balls off.

It's that sort of thing that people admire about the Spartans. Ultra-conservative to the point that they killed themselves off, but ultra-progressive to the point that they considered women to be people - I realise that is not much of a lofty claim today, but a quick look at what Athens or Rome was doing with its womenfolk for example and you will see this to be an unprecedented viewpoint.

And yes, beyond that, people do also admire them for their stereotype of ultra-masculinity. Being that tough and brave and formidable is a fantasy for many men - and also a fantasy for many women to have sex with such a man. Doesn't matter how true the actual reality is, people want to be Spartans for the same reason that they want to be Rambo.

TL;DR, the admiration of the Spartans is a complicated subject. There is much to admire and much to hate. It requires a level of nuanced thinking that is perhaps beyond 2020's ''statue bad, me good'' mentality.

[clearspira]

As an aside, it's hilarious how many people are like "hey, the literal fascist society based on a mix of Mussolini and Nazi Germany is actually pretty okay!"

The devil always has plenty of advocates.

Ah, but there's the rub innit? The devil's advocates do not know that they are doing the work of the devil and thus cannot be countered with on those terms. To suggest otherwise is to suggest a level of evil in the human race that I do not believe we have attained.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I saw that Troy movie and the Spartans weren't very progressive.

[King Green]

I also am beginning to see the issue of guilty-full/little-witnessses and innocence/public-weaponizes-law-against-innocence.

While the Cardassians have every legal way to convict you of murder, sabotage,petty-theft, conspiracy to suicide, and marketing of fantasy porno (wth is that even a thing?!), they don't have the viewpoint of HOW you did it? Or WHAT choice is your truth since you can fabricatie a half-truth and walk scot-free.

I live with a warrented peadophile in my building and while he doesn't leer into real porno, he can apparently have political-immunity in his dad's lumber business that allows Bring-your-kid-to-work-day?

[clearspira]

I saw that Troy movie and the Spartans weren't very progressive.

1) Its a Hollywood film. Their historical accuracy is often universally shit.

2) There is progressive by the standards of 4th century BC and there is progressive by the standards of 21st century AD. Although as I said, a Spartan woman probably had more freedom than someone in Saudi Arabia did until a few years ago. I can't help but think that the Spartan way of ''stabbing any fucker whom dares to oppose me'' would have achieved equal rights in Saudi a lot quicker than the approach of ''wait for America to apply political and economic pressure''.