The Star Wars Sequels Erased?

[Link8909]

Much like how people are now re-evaluating The Prequel Trilogy, I’m certain we’re going to be re-evaluating The Sequel Trilogy in the future once it’s no longer popular or profitable to hate them for those people, or at least until the next Star Wars film comes around.

Bingo. And that's because over time the kids that grew up on the prequels became more vocal over the internet once they became adults. It's a sharp contrast to 2012 when Disney began placating to OT fans by emphasizing their trilogy over the prequels as a way of "winning back" fandom that Lucas had alienated. Once those kids that grew up on ST become adults and share adoration for the sequels, that's when Disney begins building projects based on that era. In the meantime, I think Disney will just put any sequel related thing in the backburner just like they did with the prequels before the time is right to cash in on the nostalgia.

Sure, some of you are going to think it's highly unlikely that the fan base will embrace the ST more down the line, but the same thing was said of the prequels 15 years ago. It's inevitable. YouTubers with dumb fucking names like "Doomcock" can't change that.

Indeed, I'd also like to add that while I do enjoy The Sequel Trilogy, there are lessons to learn from it that can be applied to future Star Wars films, just like lessons where learned from The Prequel Trilogy, which while the acting and dialog aren't the best, I personally think are decent films with some really good scenes and great ideas that got applied to The Clone Wars series, and I've grown to appreciate the work gone into them thanks to Chuck's Hermit's Journey video series and Linkara's comic reviews on The Prequel Trilogy.

Which is also why I don't get angry or upset about these things, there are good things in The Sequel Trilogy and there was a lot of hard work put into them, and I think it's just as important to highlight those good bits and acknowledge the hard work as well as give constructive criticisms, so that future creative teams can feel appreciated as well as learn in a positive manner, because right now if I was asked to work on the next Star Wars film, I'd have to say no or ask for complete anonymity.

[ChrisTheLovableJerk]

Let's hope so. Good riddance. These movies are insulting wastes of time with stupid, poorly thought out plots, terrible characters and the passable characters like Finn had their potential stomped on, boring and unimaginative designs and world, phoned-in musical scores. Wipe the slate clean, start over with animated films, put the Shit Trilogy out of print and treat it like the Holiday Special.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I got an idea. What if the whole thing was just a dream? Then Rey could wake up right before Luke throws the light sabre and he'd be all "yeah let's go kick their ass."

[PapaPalpatine]

Even if there's any truth to the rumors (and that's a big "if"), it's too late, the damage is done. We no longer have the holy trinity of Star Wars; Carrie passed away, and good luck convincing Mark or Harrison to return within their lifetimes. Auntie Kathy and that gaggle of imbeciles who suck up to her have so royally fucked the franchise, salvaging it would call for a bona fide miracle worthy of an angelic choir singing the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah.

[Makeshift Python]

I can't say I ever cared about the prospect of seeing the "holy trinity" reunited like in so many of those fan made photoshopped pics with them and Lando in the Falcon. I actually admire that the ST avoided that, as if to say their time had passed after the OT and from then on they served more as legacy characters rather than focal characters (which was more for Rey, Finn, and Poe). I actually wish they had written out Leia after Carrie's death, but I understand it's kinda hard to just do that when they had already set up Ben's redemption with her being a key part of it. It's unfortunate, but oh well.

[Captain Crimson]

This strikes me as a rumor from LF to try and discredit the FM's credibility, and for the simple reason it feels as if it is being tailored to fandom menace casuals who eat up TCW and SWR and believe as if Mr. Filoni can do no wrong. It's an image tailor-made to people who are not familiar with the older lore and who don't care about the fate of "those stuffy books," they only care about the television shows and the movies. That's it. Plus, it doesn't seem particularly well thought out. If Palpatine had that on the Death Star, he wouldn't have lost.

Bottom line at this point is that to retcon now, and then shove it all into SWL, would be openly admitting they think the old EU was non-canon trash and Legends is just the new branding term for wherever they throw away their garbage, and it would upset the DC fans. I don't see this happening. RK Outpost and Itchy Bacca covered this well, I think. Plus my own view, that for Mr. Filoni to wanna bring in more SWL now seems contradictory his approach back under Mr. Lucas, where he never really thought about maintaining a consistent continuity, and so just did whatever he wanted to do while grifting what EU elements he could to his new hodgepodge story. He didn't care then, and he doesn't care now.

For me nothing really matters outside of the actual episode films 1-9. Everything else is just a side story.

Many of those side stories, as you call them, far surpass the OT in grandeur and story craft.

Personally I say keep them. The main problem with the sequels is that what's happening off screen and gets a one sentence summary in an art book is way more interesting than the story we got; just leave the framework and tell those stories. It worked great for The Clone Wars.

The force sensitive kid who can casually do telekinesis better than Luke as a full Jedi, what's his tale? Who the hell is Holdo and why does Leia trust her even though she wasn't in any previous entry? Why does destroying the never-before-mentioned Hosnian system destroy all galactic government so thoroughly that nobody remains to fight off a tinpot outer rim NGO? Literally any story starring Maz the pirate queen, but specifically where did she get Luke's lightsaber? Who the hell is Snoke, and why does everything he says or does contradict the ghost of an explanation we did get in episode 9? What are the Attendants and why are they helping the First Order (and are they still working with the Grysk as well?)?

The side stories in Rogue One and Solo were better than any other film in this franchise since 1983, we need more like them.

Well, of course. They had a lot of EU to pilfer. It's a great "well of ideas," don't you know? According to Mr. Filoni. RO is just DF grafted to the DS novel, and the HST is just the older Han Solo books grafted to TCW/SWR.

[phantom000]

I think Star Wars is going to go the same path as DC and Marvel, with lots of different stories each in their own little continuity with little or nothing to do with the original trilogy, beyond the premise.

Like how Batman: The Animated Series has nothing to do with the Adam West series, aside from both being 'batman.'

Or how the X-men films had no connection to the animated series.

[Captain Crimson]

I think Star Wars is going to go the same path as DC and Marvel, with lots of different stories each in their own little continuity with little or nothing to do with the original trilogy, beyond the premise.

Like how Batman: The Animated Series has nothing to do with the Adam West series, aside from both being 'batman.'

Or how the X-men films had no connection to the animated series.

That could be the path eventually. The problem right now is that they have poor management to make that a reality and would require them to both understand the older lore and have a healthy respect for it, which I'm skeptical of anyone there past the old guard like Mr. Chee and Mr. Hidalgo.

The rumor, from Overlord DVD, had also said they just plan to toss the sequels into Legends, which would officially make that the trash bin for Lucasfilm. So I am very skeptical about that. Contrary to online opinion, while some people there are liars who are not straight with fans, I don't think LF has that kind of rabid hate for SW. Though I've always hated the Veil and the World Between Worlds since for me, it feels like a cheap story tool that will lead to further dilution and dumbing down of the lore. I mean, think about it. With the fans the DC has right now, to throw the ST into the Legends trash bin would just alienate both the older EU fans as well as DC fans. It would be exactly what EU fans had gone through in 2014 for DC fans, and for EU fans it's just one more blow to the world we love.

My suspicion is that people like Mr. Filoni want to do just this, since they are the kind of creators who just like to do their own thing and don't like being tied down by anything, and in this case, Mr. Lucas, continuity, the EU, and what have you. Seems more like his style of approach than Ms. Kennedy. And tragically, the fandom menace still gives him a pass while she is satan. So there's that strain of sexism in the fandom going on right now.

And besides, since this came from Overlord DVD, he's been wrong before. He reported Ms. Kennedy was gone and she was extended, The leaks for TROS were not him, that was the redditor named JediPaxis, but he ran it as his. Even he says to take it with a grain of salt.

[clearspira]

I can't say I ever cared about the prospect of seeing the "holy trinity" reunited like in so many of those fan made photoshopped pics with them and Lando in the Falcon. I actually admire that the ST avoided that, as if to say their time had passed after the OT and from then on they served more as legacy characters rather than focal characters (which was more for Rey, Finn, and Poe). I actually wish they had written out Leia after Carrie's death, but I understand it's kinda hard to just do that when they had already set up Ben's redemption with her being a key part of it. It's unfortunate, but oh well.

They had set up Ben's redemption by the end of TLJ? No they hadn't. I'm sorry, but that just is not true.

TLJ ends with Kylo Ren taking control of the First Order and becoming the new Snoke after trying to kill his former master in a literally spitting rage. And with the hindsight of TROS, he didn't try to take the First Order in any new direction, he is completely in charge of it to the point of killing his advisors for even mild descent.

Kylo Ren is an extremely inconsistent character and that BTW is a side effect of one of the biggest mistakes that this trilogy made: intentionally having three different directors (in case you didn't know, TROS wasn't originally going to be Abrams) who were working off three different sets of notes. That was an absolute colossal fuck up of the first degree which is why so much is not set up properly.

[clearspira]

I think Star Wars is going to go the same path as DC and Marvel, with lots of different stories each in their own little continuity with little or nothing to do with the original trilogy, beyond the premise.

Like how Batman: The Animated Series has nothing to do with the Adam West series, aside from both being 'batman.'

Or how the X-men films had no connection to the animated series.

That could be the path eventually. The problem right now is that they have poor management to make that a reality and would require them to both understand the older lore and have a healthy respect for it, which I'm skeptical of anyone there past the old guard like Mr. Chee and Mr. Hidalgo.

The rumor, from Overlord DVD, had also said they just plan to toss the sequels into Legends, which would officially make that the trash bin for Lucasfilm. So I am very skeptical about that. Contrary to online opinion, while some people there are liars who are not straight with fans, I don't think LF has that kind of rabid hate for SW. Though I've always hated the Veil and the World Between Worlds since for me, it feels like a cheap story tool that will lead to further dilution and dumbing down of the lore. I mean, think about it. With the fans the DC has right now, to throw the ST into the Legends trash bin would just alienate both the older EU fans as well as DC fans. It would be exactly what EU fans had gone through in 2014 for DC fans, and for EU fans it's just one more blow to the world we love.

My suspicion is that people like Mr. Filoni want to do just this, since they are the kind of creators who just like to do their own thing and don't like being tied down by anything, and in this case, Mr. Lucas, continuity, the EU, and what have you. Seems more like his style of approach than Ms. Kennedy. And tragically, the fandom menace still gives him a pass while she is satan. So there's that strain of sexism in the fandom going on right now.

And besides, since this came from Overlord DVD, he's been wrong before. He reported Ms. Kennedy was gone and she was extended, The leaks for TROS were not him, that was the redditor named JediPaxis, but he ran it as his. Even he says to take it with a grain of salt.

I can buy that there is sexism aimed at her, but she is pretty sexist herself so it all evens out. She declared war on the male fans with all of that Force is Female bullshit and did so intentionally. And if it wasn't an intentional act, if making 95% of the male characters in the sequels evil, fuck-ups, or just generally secondary to the plot was an accident, then I would hate to see what a ''big whoops'' from her looks like.

And if anyone wants to argue that, I ask that you answer me but one question: name me a male character in the sequels that I am meant to look up to and admire.

Luke is a coward. Han is back to his old ways again. Snoke/Palpatine is evil. Kylo Ren is a murderer. Hux is comic relief. Poe is chewed out by everyone. Finn ultimately achieves very little of actual substance.

Now lets contrast: Rey is the ultimate heroine. Leia is the selfless leader of the Resistance. Holdo was written to be in the right even though she wasn't. Rose was clearly Batman to Finn's Robin. The yellow toad woman from TFA whatever-her-name-was is basically Yoda.