Remember how the Mainstream Media said they won't be coming for Jefferson and Washington Next?

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Re: Remember how the Mainstream Media said they won't be coming for Jefferson and Washington Next?

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Antiboyscout wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:43 am a lot of is seems innocuous enough, until you understand how these things will be taught.
coupe of examples:
"8.10 Students analyze the multiple causes, key events, and complex consequences of
the Civil War. "

the fact that GreyIce isn't having a conniption over this indicates he, as well as I, and as well you should know that this will inevitably boil down to slavery and nothing else.
Well then, lets have you show off the value of your education. Certainly the South had plenty of grievances, but mainstream historical consensus (or indeed, just simple reading of them) indicate they're what we'd call "piddly shit". Georgia didn't get enough money from an appropriations bill, they built something and didn't pick our state, etc. Those are the sort of things that you refuse to vote with some other state until they give you a concession in an appropriation bill, or you make noise in a political caucus until someone wants your votes enough to appease you.

750,000 people don't die over that. Any historian will tell you that.

But hey, show off the value of your alternative education. Make a really damn convincing argument the civil war wasn't about slavery. Go on.
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Re: Remember how the Mainstream Media said they won't be coming for Jefferson and Washington Next?

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Fucker is angry that students are being taught what caused the civil war.
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It's a common misconception that broad states rights was the breaking point leading to the war of the South.
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GreyICE wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:59 am
Antiboyscout wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:43 am a lot of is seems innocuous enough, until you understand how these things will be taught.
coupe of examples:
"8.10 Students analyze the multiple causes, key events, and complex consequences of
the Civil War. "

the fact that GreyIce isn't having a conniption over this indicates he, as well as I, and as well you should know that this will inevitably boil down to slavery and nothing else.
Well then, lets have you show off the value of your education. Certainly the South had plenty of grievances, but mainstream historical consensus (or indeed, just simple reading of them) indicate they're what we'd call "piddly shit". Georgia didn't get enough money from an appropriations bill, they built something and didn't pick our state, etc. Those are the sort of things that you refuse to vote with some other state until they give you a concession in an appropriation bill, or you make noise in a political caucus until someone wants your votes enough to appease you.

750,000 people don't die over that. Any historian will tell you that.

But hey, show off the value of your alternative education. Make a really damn convincing argument the civil war wasn't about slavery. Go on.
The economic collapse of the south

the adoption of sharecropping that people like you accuse of being defacto slavery

the fact that sharecropping didn't end until the invention of the mechanical cotton picker nearly a century later. Meaning the problem wasn't actually solved until then.

Having a climate that makes mechanized farming, like in the north, impossible it draws one toward slavery as there are no alternatives. Means to an end, not an end of itself.

Considering the mechanical cotton picker was so widely adopted after it's introduction that it is one of the main causes of the second great migration, it seems those southerners were perfectly willing to use an alternative when it presented itself.

it was a matter of survival

a modern equivalence would be if NYC passed a law banning the ownership of internal combustion engines in the entire state. Easy enough for the city slickers who can walk and drive electric. Not so easy for the farmer up-state who must scrap his tractor and combine and semi. If NYC offered no alternative, exemption, or timetable to ween off the use of the tractor it would look like a naked power grab of the urban cities weakening rural economies for their own benefit.
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Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:02 am Fucker is angry that students are being taught what caused the civil war.
I'm pointing out that it says MULTIPLE causes, but both of us know only one cause will be taught.
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Antiboyscout wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:27 am
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:02 am Fucker is angry that students are being taught what caused the civil war.
I'm pointing out that it says MULTIPLE causes, but both of us know only one cause will be taught.
Yep. And they'll use words to describe it. And it will have context. And maybe a picture every 3 pages.
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I took Indigenous Relations and it was really not that postmodern.
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and there's another problem with judging people in the past by today's standards. by that metric, Abe Lincoln was a horrible racist who only freed the slaves because it would end the war and not because slavery was bad.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:46 am and there's another problem with judging people in the past by today's standards. by that metric, Abe Lincoln was a horrible racist who only freed the slaves because it would end the war and not because slavery was bad.
Well he is Republican.
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:37 am I took Indigenous Relations and it was really not that postmodern.
Any mention of the Beaver Wars?
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