------------------------------------------------------------Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:37 pmAre they demanding payouts from the ancestors of slave owners? NO, they demand payment from All white people and the nation in general.GreyICE wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:04 pmYou don't seem to understand, the system was very good at enriching the elite. Hundreds of thousands of slaves died in the most abject, horrible conditions possible, but the rich who were the beneficiaries? Of course they made out well.Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:06 pmThen you need to tell that to black activists, who claim that the wealth of the United States, or at least a majority of it, was created by slave labor. It is the basis of the reparations argument after all.
There's plenty more we could discuss about your ignorance here (looking up the Housing Act of 1949 would be a good start) but I think we've conclusively demonstrated your alternative education ain't worth shit.
Critical thinking and higher order thinking skills might destroy many foundations the Republican party rests on, but they do have this advantage where they teach you critical thinking and higher order thinking skills. Those come in handy when you have to evaluate a load of complete trollop and ask "does this actually make sense?" Does it actually make sense that the system in the south was so unique that Adam Smith's Classic Liberalism and economic theory would break down to such an extent that SLAVERY would be the correct answer to fix it? Wow. I have some criticisms of unrestrained capitalism (especially treated as a religion) but apparently you straight up think it doesn't work.
What does the housing Act of 1949 have to do with anything? Isn't it one of those red lined housing schemes that left black people out in the cold, and there for, cannot be a contributing factor in the Second Great Migration.
Labor and Capital, slavery makes them completely interchangeable. Labor was in demand, slavery fulfilled the demand. The only pick-me-up in the southern economy before the mechanical cotton picker (machinery, the other thing that makes labor and capital interchangeable) was the steam engine that made factories possible in the south, but like a 3rd world country, they were only built and run do to low wages from a depressed economy, and left just as quickly.
Serfdom ended in Europe when farming technology made the work of many the work of a few. It didn't end in china do to the demands of rice cultivation, one the reasons famine struck the country after the communist took over. Slavery has been a part of humanity for a long time and always for the same reason.
Gish Gallop
The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a conveyor belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.
Although it takes a trivial amount of effort on the Galloper's part to make each individual point before skipping on to the next (especially if they cite from a pre-concocted list of Gallop arguments), a refutation of the same Gallop may likely take much longer and require significantly more effort (per the basic principle that it's always easier to make a mess than to clean it back up again).
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I'm impressed how we moved from you not understanding history class, to you not understanding slavery, and now to... what? Reparations? It's the intellectual equivalent of diarrhea.
Wait, you're curious as to how a discriminatory scheme that gave money to white veterans while not giving money to black veterans contributed to our incredibly segregated suburbs, and a lack of money in the black community? Are you serious?What does the housing Act of 1949 have to do with anything? Isn't it one of those red lined housing schemes that left black people out in the cold, and there for, cannot be a contributing factor in the Second Great Migration.
As for your economic arguments justifying slavery, let me sit here and laugh that literally no one - left wing, right wing, NO ONE thinks you're correct. I've extensively laid out exactly why you're wrong, and if you're just going to say "well there were serfs elsewhere" (serfs and slaves are not the same, although they have some similarities - also the middle ages were not economically efficient) that's nothing resembling an argument.
We had alchemists that used mercury for all sorts of curatives all over the place. There was a Chinese emperor who thought it was the key to eternal life. Lewis and Clark's expedition can be tracked by their stupid mercury-based laxatives (they left mercury behind every time they took a shit). Drinking mercury? Still a fucking stupid idea. Don't do it. People doing stupid things at multiple points throughout history just makes them stupid more than once.
