DS9 - Tribunal

[GreyICE]

Are you daft? There's no official or coined definition of Fascism. Benni didn't make up the concept, he made up a campaign. He's an example of Fascism, not a purveyor. Forefront maybe, but nobody is taking his "definition" of it seriously.

You have no idea what you're talking about. The term "fascist" originated, LITERALLY ORIGINATED with Mussolini's Fasci Rivoluzionari d'Azione Internazionalista. In the literal sense Mussolini invented the term "fascist". After the war, he got together some other veterans and the ideas of the "Fascist Revolutionaries" and used them to form the National Fascist Party.

Mussolini made up the concept. Mussolini developed the entire philosophy, scrounging bits and pieces from other philosophers, until he'd made his doctrine of fascism. Mussolini is the origins of fascism, Mussolini created the philosophy, and Mussolini recruited the other thinkers that formed the basis of his party. The only person who is near on the same level is Giovanni Gentile, and they co-wrote most of the documents describing fascist philosophy, fascist lifestyle, etc.

Honestly, don't talk about things you're pig ignorant about. It's a bad look. Oh, and go read a history book, please. Really. There's been many of them written, and you'll find the same thing in all of them.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

No. You're full of shit.

[GreyICE]

No. You're full of shit.

Italian Fascism (Italian: fascismo italiano), also known as Classical Fascism or simply Fascism, is the original fascist ideology as developed in Italy by Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini. The ideology is associated with a series of three political parties led by Benito Mussolini; the Revolutionary Fascist Party (PFR) founded in 1915,[1] the National Fascist Party (PNF), which ruled the Kingdom of Italy from 1922 until 1943, and the Republican Fascist Party that ruled the Italian Social Republic from 1943 to 1945. Italian Fascism is also associated with the post-war Italian Social Movement and subsequent Italian neo-fascist movements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism

The Italian term fascismo is derived from fascio meaning "a bundle of sticks", ultimately from the Latin word fasces.[14] This was the name given to political organizations in Italy known as fasci, groups similar to guilds or syndicates. According to Mussolini's own account, the Fascist Revolutionary Party (Partito Fascista Rivoluzionario or PFR) was founded in Italy in 1915.[15] In 1919, Mussolini founded the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento in Milan, which became the Partito Nazionale Fascista (National Fascist Party) two years later. The Fascists came to associate the term with the ancient Roman fasces or fascio littorio[16]—a bundle of rods tied around an axe,[17] an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of the civic magistrate[18] carried by his lictors, which could be used for corporal and capital punishment at his command.[19][20]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Etymology

You didn't even fucking bother to check Wikipedia. Fucking Wikipedia. And you couldn't even fucking go there to check.

You're dumb.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

That's the wiki for Italian Fascism.

[GreyICE]

That's the wiki for Italian Fascism.

I mean you could read the quote too. Or the quote below it, from a different Wikipedia page. Or maybe you could read a whole book, instead of just a wikipedia page.

Like dude, you made a mistake. Fucking do some research and realize you're wrong, don't double down on it. That's where ignorance turns into stupidity. Anyone can not know something. Anyone can think they're right about something and be wrong.

But when you fucking double down on being wrong, that's when you leave ignorance and travel to the magical land of the fuckwit.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

No I did first. It said that Italian Fascism is also known as simply Fascism.

[GreyICE]

No I did first. It said that Italian Fascism is also known as simply Fascism.

Yes. Maybe there's a reason it might be called just "fascism". Maybe when it came into existence, there was no other fascism. That could also be tied up in it being called "the first". As created by Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile.

There's proto-fascist ideas floating around, because no philosophy is truly unique. There were marxist-like ideas long before Karl Marx. He wasn't the first person to notice that laborers tend to get exploited, after all. But the idea of fascism itself, the philosophy? Created by Mussolini and Gentile, with Mussolini probably doing the lion's share (it's very hard to know, Gentile co-wrote a bunch of stuff with Mussolini and they both agreed to use Mussolini's name for it). Certainly Gentile added some gravitas to Mussolini's tendancies towards bombasticism, he deserves credit - as much as anyone gets credit for the intellectual black hole that is fascism.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Like... it's literally a political philosophy. I just outlined it.

Your reference to Italian Fascism clearly states that it is a mere part on a series of articles on Fascism. The principal political philosophy that you mentioned a page or two back I think refers to not what you're talking about.

This isn't that much of a problem with Socialism either.

[GreyICE]

Your reference to Italian Fascism clearly states that it is a mere part on a series of articles on Fascism. The principal political philosophy that you mentioned a page or two back I think refers to not what you're talking about.

Did you think this sentence made sense when you wrote it? Because it parses like garbage.

Fascism is literally the philosophy created by Mussolini and Gentile. I don't know how much clearer this could be. You have wikipedia articles, you could crack open a history textbook if you think the lizard people have taken over the internet, whatever you want, whatever source, they're going to tell you the exact same thing.

For fucks sake, you want to know how crazy this is? You can't even say who you think invented it, because there are no other viable candidates. Which you'd know if you looked into it. Like you can't even name someone who you think invented it, but by golly, you're sure it definitely wasn't Mussolini (it was).

Now go take your pills and chill out. This discussion is you arguing that facts aren't facts, and that's fucking stupid.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

A philosophy isn't an IP. Like lol just lol.