Coronavirus - the new pandemic

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British scientists have revealed today that there is mounting evidence that your post-Covid immunity lasts nowhere near as long as originally hoped. The fear is that we have a new seasonal bug on our hands with it adapting each year into a new strain.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:11 am British scientists have revealed today that there is mounting evidence that your post-Covid immunity lasts nowhere near as long as originally hoped. The fear is that we have a new seasonal bug on our hands with it adapting each year into a new strain.
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That's quite literally civilization-altering.
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GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:04 am
clearspira wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:11 am British scientists have revealed today that there is mounting evidence that your post-Covid immunity lasts nowhere near as long as originally hoped. The fear is that we have a new seasonal bug on our hands with it adapting each year into a new strain.
Uh...

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That's quite literally civilization-altering.
Isn't it incredible though just how poorly prepared the human race was for a plague at the start of 2020? The rule of averages guaranteed that one would hit us eventually and yet it has blindsided us completely. I wonder if modern cleanliness is to blame, in that many thought of such pandemics as things of the past or of third world countries. Lets hope the next one is better defended against.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:43 am
GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:04 am
clearspira wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:11 am British scientists have revealed today that there is mounting evidence that your post-Covid immunity lasts nowhere near as long as originally hoped. The fear is that we have a new seasonal bug on our hands with it adapting each year into a new strain.
Uh...

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That's quite literally civilization-altering.
Isn't it incredible though just how poorly prepared the human race was for a plague at the start of 2020? The rule of averages guaranteed that one would hit us eventually and yet it has blindsided us completely. I wonder if modern cleanliness is to blame, in that many thought of such pandemics as things of the past or of third world countries. Lets hope the next one is better defended against.
I think since the last significant pandemic, global population has like tripled or something, and on top of that there has been a movement of urbanization involving migration from more rural to more densely populated cities for opportunity, likely becoming two fold more dense in most major cities with the natural population escalation. Of course, Italy's problem with a complete reversal of that development, so yeah it's like you can't win with this thing.
..What mirror universe?
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clearspira wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:43 amIsn't it incredible though just how poorly prepared the human race was for a plague at the start of 2020? The rule of averages guaranteed that one would hit us eventually and yet it has blindsided us completely. I wonder if modern cleanliness is to blame, in that many thought of such pandemics as things of the past or of third world countries. Lets hope the next one is better defended against.
It's really not surprising at all. I think I told people this back in 2014, and this isn't me being some sort of visionary. The CDC was saying this back in the 90s,and since then we only sped things up, connected with more of the world, and brought even more people together. It hasn't really blindsided us at all, this was a known and predictable outcome.

The problem is that essentially our government has been pushed by rhetoric to be "cheaper, spend less, tax less" for the past 60 years. And this is basically worldwide. The rich and corporations have been pushing governments to lower taxes, and the easiest things to cut are those "rainy day" funds. And this is worldwide to be clear - America is one of the worst, but it's not alone, not by far.

The CDC threw up a huge alarm for SARS (aka SARS-COV-1 vs SARS-COV-2) in case it turned out to be exactly this. They threw up a huge alarm for Avian Flu. Swine Flu. People started laughing about "which animal flu will the CDC panic over next" and posting stupid memes. The CDC kept panicking, because they realized that we were in a hole and that hole was doom.

Obama put together a team that was about 1/5th the size of what we'd really need, with 1/10th the funding they'd actually need to patch that hole and get us ready for this, day 1, minute 1, intercept, contain, test, isolate. Trump got rid of that because it was expensive and "hey, we could hire those doctors again if the fish flu is bad, amright?"

Bill Gates poured countless millions of dollars into stopping diseases. Why? Well, this was really, really, really easy to see coming actually. It's just that, like global warming, we are going to be blindsided by the fucking obvious.

Just wait, 10-15 years and you're going to see articles about "who could have predicted these floods of refugees" and "no one predicted the need to relocate Miami after hurricane whothefuckcares." 10-15 years, that's how long Miami has, and it's not the only city. Miami is already getting sunny day flooding (flooding due only to tidal action) because of sea level rise, they're totally and completely fucked. And the rate we're going? We're not going to see it coming.

To be clear:

- CDC Budget for 2019: $7,300 million
- Trump cut $940 million in CDC funding between 2018 and 2019 (previously ~$8,300 million). He cut funding from 2017-2018 too.
- I think they should have been spending about $30-60,000 million/year in preparedness. MINIMUM. So no, no way in hell was Obama's number enough. But it got cut. A lot.
- COVID-19 will do around $700,000 million in healthcare costs (estimated) and economic damages in the $3,000,000 million range OR MORE.
- This was 110% predictable

Add this up and tell me how well our political system works.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:43 am
GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:04 am
clearspira wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:11 am British scientists have revealed today that there is mounting evidence that your post-Covid immunity lasts nowhere near as long as originally hoped. The fear is that we have a new seasonal bug on our hands with it adapting each year into a new strain.
Uh...

Image

That's quite literally civilization-altering.
Isn't it incredible though just how poorly prepared the human race was for a plague at the start of 2020? The rule of averages guaranteed that one would hit us eventually and yet it has blindsided us completely. I wonder if modern cleanliness is to blame, in that many thought of such pandemics as things of the past or of third world countries. Lets hope the next one is better defended against.
Honestly, it was probably the world governments gutting their pandemic plans for more bullet money.
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clearspira wrote: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:43 am Isn't it incredible though just how poorly prepared the human race was for a plague at the start of 2020? The rule of averages guaranteed that one would hit us eventually and yet it has blindsided us completely. I wonder if modern cleanliness is to blame, in that many thought of such pandemics as things of the past or of third world countries. Lets hope the next one is better defended against.
How can you defend against it? The sort of precautions and readiness that would be far in excessive of justified under normal circumstances, for decades? The real problem is that we're less able to accept that **** happens. It's good that it happens less but it's still part of reality.
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I mean there would be a lot less deaths if people wore their damn masks, and in turn there'd be a lot more of that if we didn't have national leaders going around shaking hands during a pandemic and bragging about it.
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Here's the short version: http://manicpixienightmaregirls.com/march-31st-2019/ It really works for a lot of things.
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Florida had 8% of the new Coronavirus cases IN THE WORLD yesterday. And there's still people going to Didny Worl.
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