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Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:01 amIt's not just an art movement, it's also a general philosophy. Stop being an obtuse asshole.
Postmodernism is an artistic movement. That is what it is. Modernism is both a general philosophy and an art movement. In the art world it is now historical movement, with the current art movement being called postmodernism.
This is the fallacy of equivocation - to take things that have two meanings, and flip which meaning you're using between two statements. GMan has taken Eco's reference to modernism the philosophy, and said that modernism (the art movement) has been replaced by postmodernism(the art movement).
As you said, that's an asshole move. Stop being a moron and read what I wrote next time.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodern_philosophy
Apparently postmodern philosophers include Derrida, Lyotard, and Baudrillard.
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I find the designation of "The Left" stupid in general.
It is a massive umbrella term that lumps together vastly different movements, and somehow they all want to destroy the nebulous concept of "Freedom" which is defined as...?
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Rocketboy1313 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:43 pm
I find the designation of "The Left" stupid in general.
It is a massive umbrella term that lumps together vastly different movements, and somehow they all want to destroy the nebulous concept of "Freedom" which is defined as...?
Yeah it's part of a very broad dichotomy.
I have no personal problems recognizing the polarity as a timeless civic phenomenon, like how the bible kinda worked to define cultural perils up to that point and thereafter.
Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:26 am
In many cases these are statues that were erected for the purpose of terrorizing the black populous, the local populous have wanted removed for years or even decades, but were barred from removing due to state laws.
If the people wanted to get the statues removed, couldn't they have started a referendum? Are you certain those statues were erected to terrorize the local black population? I've seen black people defending them. And AFAIK, the statues only injured one person, and that was arguably self-defense on the statue's part.
One, the states where most of these statues were build the is very little referendum power and when it is the referendums are undercut by the heavily gerrymandered legislatures, see Florida where after a referendum restoring voting rights to ex-cons was passed the legislature immediately weakened it by passing law saying it only applied to those that had paid for all fees and fines accrued while incarcerated, something the state has no way to track. . Two, yes I am certain of that as the majority of those statues were built by white supremacist group and sister organization to the KKK the Daughters of the Confederacy during the height of the KKK's power in the late 1910s and early 1920s.
OK on the second part, though I think there probably isn't a 1:1 correspondence, but you did say "many," and you backed it up. That's information I didn't know. Thank you. That still does leave many statues not erected for that reason, the Emancipation Memorial being a good example. It was commissioned and paid for by African Americans, including ex-slaves.
OK on the second, too. Gerrymandering can certainly make democratic action less viable. And there were referendums for statue removal. I have to thank you again.
Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:01 amIt's not just an art movement, it's also a general philosophy. Stop being an obtuse asshole.
Postmodernism is an artistic movement. That is what it is. Modernism is both a general philosophy and an art movement. In the art world it is now historical movement, with the current art movement being called postmodernism.
This is the fallacy of equivocation - to take things that have two meanings, and flip which meaning you're using between two statements. GMan has taken Eco's reference to modernism the philosophy, and said that modernism (the art movement) has been replaced by postmodernism(the art movement).
As you said, that's an asshole move. Stop being a moron and read what I wrote next time.
I was talking about postmodernism.
and it seems like TGLS is backing me up on that.
Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:08 amI was talking about postmodernism.
and it seems like TGLS is backing me up on that.
Okay. It's a philosophy, that, um... do you actually recognize any of the names on that Wikipedia page? Go on, tell me. I don't.
And that's what the entire "american left" believes in.
Yeah okay.
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Postmodernism is a broad movement that developed in the mid- to late 20th century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism, marking a departure from modernism. The term has been more generally applied to describe a historical era said to follow after modernity and the tendencies of this era.
Postmodernism is generally defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward what it describes as the grand narratives and ideologies associated with modernism, often criticizing Enlightenment rationality and focusing on the role of ideology in maintaining political or economic power. Postmodern thinkers frequently describe knowledge claims and value systems as contingent or socially-conditioned, describing them as products of political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies. Common targets of postmodern criticism include universalist ideas of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, science, language, and social progress. Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-consciousness, self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, and irreverence.
