Whiteness (according to the National Museum of African American History and Culture)

[Antiboyscout]

From the section on "Theoretical Perspective" (Emphasis added to certain key words)
The concerns of decolonisation of knowledge are that the western knowledge system has become a norm for global knowledge and its methodologies are considered to be the only form of true knowledge. This hegemonic approach towards other knowledge systems has resulted in reduction of epistemic diversity and constituted the center of knowledge which eventually suppressed all other forms of knowledge.

What do you think those other forms of "knowledge" are? Mostly Eastern mysticism, and even then not all of it. Lord knows they aren't following Confucianism. (filial piety, honoring hierarchy, yeah right) This is all also perfectly in keeping with postmodernist thought.

[Rocketboy1313]

What do you think those other forms of "knowledge" are? Mostly Eastern mysticism, and even then not all of it. Lord knows they aren't following Confucianism. (filial piety, honoring hierarchy, yeah right) This is all also perfectly in keeping with postmodernist thought.

It is really great to ask an accusatory question and then answer it without providing anything of substance, and then throwing out three ideas that... you have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't know what you think "Post-Modernist" is, you never define your terms, you just ramble about it as a nebulous bad thing, which it isn't.

Post-Modernist thinking, in the context of public policy research, which is my wheelhouse, has to do with looking at the underlying power structures that define how we measure the world around us. That certain modes of thought are starting to dominate how we look at data and it is harming our ability to do work.

For instance, Quantitative research is dominant in public policy research right now and it is getting to the point where crunching numbers is not giving people meaningful feedback. For instance, In the book, "Fractured Democracy: Medicaid, Federalism, and Unequal Politics", the uneven and erratic distribution of healthcare funds to the needy across the US causes lots of problems and makes people scared and stressed, but you wouldn't know it from polling their responses. “Medicaid – though a vital and invaluable program – is presently a fragmented labyrinth that underwrites a dizzying array of disparate services.” (Michener, 2018, p48)

The best example is here, “… a recent Gallup poll showing 76 percent of Medicaid beneficiaries are “satisfied” …” (Michener, 2018, p66) This quote is the set up for the punchline of the testimonials, each interviewee illustrating the frustrating truth of what “satisfied” really means, “… high “consumer satisfaction” proved misleadingly superficial. Beneficiaries were appreciative for what Medicaid provided… At the same time, they were painfully aware of what Medicaid did not provide…” (Michener, 2018, p68)
The clients knew what they had, and for fear of losing what they had they gave up on other opportunities to maintain access to care. The book emphasizes how popular Medicaid is, but in reading it you get the impression that these people like Medicaid in the same way a person likes a desperately grasped handhold that keeps them from falling. They like Medicaid because it is what they have to hold and without it they would be far worse off, but it is not ideal.


Michener, J (2018). Fragmented Democracy: Medicaid, Federalism, and Unequal Politics. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. DOI: https://10.1017/9781108224987

PS: Do not expect me to put this much work into every response to you, this is a snippet from a report I wrote on this topic using this book. I am just copy and pasting work I have already done.

PPS: I am starting to deduce that you are arguing from a position akin to Jordan Peterson, who has taken to decrying a vague idea of "Post Modernism" and "Social Marxism" that seeks to somehow undermine and destroy "Western" culture. Resist that, he is a boob who is pushing a comically narrow view of western civilization and it is harmful to understanding other cultures and getting past mental pit traps that I see the United States' public falling into constantly.

[Antiboyscout]

What do you think those other forms of "knowledge" are? Mostly Eastern mysticism, and even then not all of it. Lord knows they aren't following Confucianism. (filial piety, honoring hierarchy, yeah right) This is all also perfectly in keeping with postmodernist thought.

It is really great to ask an accusatory question and then answer it without providing anything of substance, and then throwing out three ideas that... you have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't know what you think "Post-Modernist" is, you never define your terms, you just ramble about it as a nebulous bad thing, which it isn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

Postmodernism is a broad movement that developed in the mid- to late 20th century across philosophy, the arts, architecture, and criticism, marking a departure from modernism. The term has been more generally applied to describe a historical era said to follow after modernity and the tendencies of this era.

Postmodernism is generally defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward what it describes as the grand narratives and ideologies associated with modernism, often criticizing Enlightenment rationality and focusing on the role of ideology in maintaining political or economic power. Postmodern thinkers frequently describe knowledge claims and value systems as contingent or socially-conditioned, describing them as products of political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies. Common targets of postmodern criticism include universalist ideas of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, science, language, and social progress. Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-consciousness, self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, and irreverence.

Postmodernism is an intellectual stance or mode of discourse[1][2] defined by an attitude of skepticism toward what it describes as the grand narratives and ideologies of modernism, as well as opposition to epistemic certainty and the stability of meaning.[3] It questions or criticizes viewpoints associated with Enlightenment rationality dating back to the 17th century,[4] and is characterized by irony, eclecticism, and its rejection of the "universal validity" of binary oppositions, stable identity, hierarchy, and categorization.[5][6] Postmodernism is associated with relativism and a focus on ideology in the maintenance of economic and political power.[4] Postmodernists are generally "skeptical of explanations which claim to be valid for all groups, cultures, traditions, or races," and describe truth as relative.[7] It can be described as a reaction against attempts to explain reality in an objective manner by claiming that reality is a mental construct.[7] Access to an unmediated reality or to objectively rational knowledge is rejected on the grounds that all interpretations are contingent on when they are made;[8] as such, claims to objective fact are dismissed as "naive realism."[4]

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

And here I thought it was take the signs off bathrooms....

Haha classical liberalism is for conservatives.

[Darth Wedgius]

No, movement like #cancelSTEM and #decolonize math and science prove you wrong. They see all of this as white, and there for, it must all be torn down.

Those are about racist and insular cultures that exist in STEM fields.
The hell are you talking about?

Not so. Look for the "science must fall" video on YouTube. Or look at the Wikipedia entry for Decolonization of Knowledge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decolonization_of_knowledge

Always great when the article linked to has a "This article provides insufficient context for those unfamiliar with the subject." disclaimer right at the top.

And I don't know what to tell you, but decolonization of of epistemology is also about getting rid of racist and insular cultures that exist in STEM.

You can tell by the word "De-Colonization".

From the section on "Theoretical Perspective" (Emphasis added to certain key words)
The concerns of decolonisation of knowledge are that the western knowledge system has become a norm for global knowledge and its methodologies are considered to be the only form of true knowledge. This hegemonic approach towards other knowledge systems has resulted in reduction of epistemic diversity and constituted the center of knowledge which eventually suppressed all other forms of knowledge.

Quoting from the article:

The concerns of decolonisation of knowledge are that the western knowledge system has become a norm for global knowledge and its methodologies are considered to be the only form of true knowledge.

You also ignored the video.

[Rocketboy1313]

Quoting from the article:

The concerns of decolonisation of knowledge are that the western knowledge system has become a norm for global knowledge and its methodologies are considered to be the only form of true knowledge.

You also ignored the video.

That was part of the same section I quoted.

What video?

What point do you think you are making?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

Quoting from the article:

The concerns of decolonisation of knowledge are that the western knowledge system has become a norm for global knowledge and its methodologies are considered to be the only form of true knowledge.

You also ignored the video.

That was part of the same section I quoted.

What video?

What point do you think you are making?

I don't think he understands the ethnocentric and neoconservative implications of knowledge colonization.

[TGLS]

Quoting from the article:

The concerns of decolonisation of knowledge are that the western knowledge system has become a norm for global knowledge and its methodologies are considered to be the only form of true knowledge.

You also ignored the video.

That was part of the same section I quoted.

What video?

What point do you think you are making?

The video alluded to and not linked here:

Look for the "science must fall" video on YouTube.

[Rocketboy1313]

The video alluded to and not linked here:

Look for the "science must fall" video on YouTube.

I love how I provide a Citation when I quote from a book on the topic of how Medicaid and an over emphasis on quantitative research is a great example of how stifling current academic thought can be, and I am being told I am ignoring his position for not watching a video he did not provide a link to or even give the full title of.

Am I being unreasonable here? I feel that I am being fair, but this comes off as a massive waste of time when I literally cannot tell what information I would have to provide to convince them that racism is bad, the United States' history is lousy with racism, and taking steps to understand racism and its place in society is important.

[Antiboyscout]

The video alluded to and not linked here:

Look for the "science must fall" video on YouTube.

I love how I provide a Citation when I quote from a book on the topic of how Medicaid and an over emphasis on quantitative research is a great example of how stifling current academic thought can be, and I am being told I am ignoring his position for not watching a video he did not provide a link to or even give the full title of.

Am I being unreasonable here? I feel that I am being fair, but this comes off as a massive waste of time when I literally cannot tell what information I would have to provide to convince them that racism is bad, the United States' history is lousy with racism, and taking steps to understand racism and its place in society is important.

Yes you are. You're trying to paint the movement in a false innocent light. "it's just about showing how racism is bad" no not it's not. It often boils down to indirect justifications for socialism and justification for racial vengeance.