Whiteness (according to the National Museum of African American History and Culture)

[Rocketboy1313]

Yes you are. You're trying to paint the movement in a false innocent light. "it's just about showing how racism is bad" no not it's not. It often boils down to indirect justifications for socialism and justification for racial vengeance.

I am not trying to paint it in an innocent light, I am writing very neutral observations.
You ostensibly take these movements and these diagrams and whatever else as inherently bad, and I do not get it. You point at something and say, "look at how awful this is" and I look and say, "what is awful about it" and you say that I am painting it in a positive light.
I don't know what evidence I would have to show you to change your mind when your starting position is like this.

What are you even talking about with "socialism and justification for racial vengeance"?
And why are you lumping socialism into this?
And why would socialism even be bad?

[GreyICE]

The video alluded to and not linked here:

Look for the "science must fall" video on YouTube.

I love how I provide a Citation when I quote from a book on the topic of how Medicaid and an over emphasis on quantitative research is a great example of how stifling current academic thought can be, and I am being told I am ignoring his position for not watching a video he did not provide a link to or even give the full title of.

Am I being unreasonable here? I feel that I am being fair, but this comes off as a massive waste of time when I literally cannot tell what information I would have to provide to convince them that racism is bad, the United States' history is lousy with racism, and taking steps to understand racism and its place in society is important.

Antiboyscout was arguing that Slavery was good and the only economic option for the South in a different thread.

So yeah, you're literally not going to be able to convince him that slavery is bad, something that seems pretty fundamental.

Is this a waste of time? If you view it as converting him, yes. It's clearly a waste of time. If you view it for the lurkers, well, so far the very convincing arguments they've produced are so amazing that you just have to sit there and imagine what any lurker reading this would think of them.

[Antiboyscout]

You're obviously speaking from a different premise as to what BLM is, so I'm not sure what the point is of explaining how it's a satire if you're just going to define it by its failings or some hyperbolic reference. I've never seen one fucking bit of them defining family values and you're acting as if it's something center stage or a fundamental building block of its platform or directive. The social media left if anything doesn't give a fucka bout family reform unless it's the abandonment rates of gender curious teens by their families.

But anyway...

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

yeah, anyways...

[Antiboyscout]

Yes you are. You're trying to paint the movement in a false innocent light. "it's just about showing how racism is bad" no not it's not. It often boils down to indirect justifications for socialism and justification for racial vengeance.

I am not trying to paint it in an innocent light, I am writing very neutral observations.
You ostensibly take these movements and these diagrams and whatever else as inherently bad, and I do not get it. You point at something and say, "look at how awful this is" and I look and say, "what is awful about it" and you say that I am painting it in a positive light.
I don't know what evidence I would have to show you to change your mind when your starting position is like this.

What are you even talking about with "socialism and justification for racial vengeance"?
And why are you lumping socialism into this?
And why would socialism even be bad?

the position of pointing out racism is bad is the positive position. You described it as such. That isn't neutral.

I bring up socialism as it is a part of the movement that you described as "just showing how racism is bad"

It's bad in the same way slavery is bad. It promotes authoritarianism and any tangible benefits are not worth the price of human suffering and lack of freedom.

[Antiboyscout]

Antiboyscout was arguing that Slavery was good and the only economic option for the South in a different thread.

No I didn't you disingenuous F*ck, but I suppose character assassination is all you have left. You never responded to my last post. It seems I beat your ass so bad on economics you had to ignore me, pretend you won, and run off to a new thread to gloat and insult.

[GreyICE]

Yes ABS when we concluded that everyone from Adam Smith to the Von Mises institute to the Cato foundation thought your economics was full of shit, and when you proved completely unable to defend it except babbling about reparations, I figured it was time to leave it be.

We don’t stop clicking “reply” because you’ve won anything. We stop because when you’re smeared in feces and flinging your own poo the entire procedure has become a bit embarrassing.

Also this isn’t middle school, you can swear here you unwitting testament to the value of abortion.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

You're obviously speaking from a different premise as to what BLM is, so I'm not sure what the point is of explaining how it's a satire if you're just going to define it by its failings or some hyperbolic reference. I've never seen one fucking bit of them defining family values and you're acting as if it's something center stage or a fundamental building block of its platform or directive. The social media left if anything doesn't give a fucka bout family reform unless it's the abandonment rates of gender curious teens by their families.

But anyway...

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

yeah, anyways...

Wow. They disrupt things by being different. Total radicals!!

None of that is a matter of changing society's family structure.

[Antiboyscout]

You're obviously speaking from a different premise as to what BLM is, so I'm not sure what the point is of explaining how it's a satire if you're just going to define it by its failings or some hyperbolic reference. I've never seen one fucking bit of them defining family values and you're acting as if it's something center stage or a fundamental building block of its platform or directive. The social media left if anything doesn't give a fucka bout family reform unless it's the abandonment rates of gender curious teens by their families.

But anyway...

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

yeah, anyways...

Wow. They disrupt things by being different. Total radicals!!

None of that is a matter of changing society's family structure.

This isn't a statement of what is. It's a desire of how they want things to be. It's a goal. The "solution" they proscribe is socialist in nature and the thing they want disrupted is described as "Western-prescribed".

What exactly do you think "disrupt" means? How does it not mean "changing society" in this context?

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

You're obviously speaking from a different premise as to what BLM is, so I'm not sure what the point is of explaining how it's a satire if you're just going to define it by its failings or some hyperbolic reference. I've never seen one fucking bit of them defining family values and you're acting as if it's something center stage or a fundamental building block of its platform or directive. The social media left if anything doesn't give a fucka bout family reform unless it's the abandonment rates of gender curious teens by their families.

But anyway...

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."

yeah, anyways...

Wow. They disrupt things by being different. Total radicals!!

None of that is a matter of changing society's family structure.

This isn't a statement of what is. It's a desire of how they want things to be. It's a goal. The "solution" they proscribe is socialist in nature and the thing they want disrupted is described as "Western-prescribed".

What exactly do you think "disrupt" means? How does it not mean "changing society" in this context?

In its entirety and its fullest directive it means nothing more than not obligating themselves to live by family traditions with western European roots. More consciously it has more to do with recognizing themselves as both Black Americans and as a people whose history was commandeered and ended up here.

You look at the term disrupt and you think of it in terms of sabotage, and that's nowhere near what the word is intended for nor implicated in suggesting. Using the term in this sense amounts to western European eccentric family structures not being ubiquitous throughout society in terms of traditional family values. More directly signifying that they're allowed to sustain what they have as a culture while still calling themselves American. There's more to go on with this, but your reading of this is pretty outlandish.

Jesus crhist man what was your reaction to Willow Smith's I Whip My Hair? She's totally trying to turn classrooms gay with her rainbow graffiti all over the wall!

[Antiboyscout]

Yes ABS when we concluded that everyone from Adam Smith to the Von Mises institute to the Cato foundation thought your economics was full of shit, and when you proved completely unable to defend it except babbling about reparations, I figured it was time to leave it be.

We don’t stop clicking “reply” because you’ve won anything. We stop because when you’re smeared in feces and flinging your own poo the entire procedure has become a bit embarrassing.

Also this isn’t middle school, you can swear here you unwitting testament to the value of abortion.

Good to see you've rewritten history in your head like the good socialist that you are. The last post we had in that argument was you completely misidentifying the flaw and cause of collapse of the USSR. You said it was the mandatory work. In reality, it was the state owned industry who's failures pilled up until the entire system collapsed. I can see why you reject this idea. You support state owned industry. Utilities, social safety nets, public works, You want more bigger versions. In the USSR every single business and industry was a public work.

You think you have any right to insult me and claim my argumentation is embarrassing? Which one of us has spent over a week in dozens of posts in 3 or 4 different thread browbeating someone with a developmental disorder to make them bend the knee and have them say all cops have collective guilt. I've seen some of your argumentation for this. I guess ISIS isn't responsible for the Pulse nightclub shooting as the only entrance requirement seems to be pledging allegiance the second before you start killing. Meanwhile, Rose City Antifa is one of the most organized antifa blocks with the strictest requirements, including a background check. You still bounce back and forth between antifa is just anti facist and isn't an organization or it's voluntary so you can only judge individuals not the group. It's garbage. Somehow an organization that has standards or tests to enter have collective responsibility and guilt for all of its members but voluntary organizations don't?

You're understanding of economics is garbage (nice appeal to authority too bad it sucked). You're philosophy on individualism and group dynamics is garbage. Not surprised you are just a garbage person in general and support abortion as a form of progressive eugenics like your F*cking MovieBob or something.