“All lives matter” protesters drop the mask

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GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:51 pm Sure! I'll happily agree that they can have a variety of views, including just being a cover for white supremacy. If only they can explain one thing: how can they fail to understand the very basics of English grammar?

If I say "video games are art" we clearly understand that I'm saying video games are a form of art, and should be considered as such in analysis. I'm clearly not saying that video games are the only form of art, and that we should ignore Citizen Kane or David because only video games are art.

If I say "Science fiction is literature" I am clearly saying that science fiction should be considered a form of literature instead of excluded by all the genre snobs. I am clearly not saying that Science Fiction is the only form of literature and that we should throw out Of Mice and Men or Les Miserables for not being sufficiently science fiction.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to believe there's a large number of people who don't understand what is meant by "black lives matter?"
maybe they are like me and need things spelled out to them 90% of the time because I'm autistic and it makes me literal minded.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:23 am
GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:51 pm Sure! I'll happily agree that they can have a variety of views, including just being a cover for white supremacy. If only they can explain one thing: how can they fail to understand the very basics of English grammar?

If I say "video games are art" we clearly understand that I'm saying video games are a form of art, and should be considered as such in analysis. I'm clearly not saying that video games are the only form of art, and that we should ignore Citizen Kane or David because only video games are art.

If I say "Science fiction is literature" I am clearly saying that science fiction should be considered a form of literature instead of excluded by all the genre snobs. I am clearly not saying that Science Fiction is the only form of literature and that we should throw out Of Mice and Men or Les Miserables for not being sufficiently science fiction.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to believe there's a large number of people who don't understand what is meant by "black lives matter?"
maybe they are like me and need things spelled out to them 90% of the time because I'm autistic and it makes me literal minded.
Consistently misunderstanding it in that one certain way? To me getting "All literature is science fiction" from "Science fiction is literature" is pretty incoherent and requires "spelling out" to see that possibility. To me Black Lives Matter literally means Black Lives Matter.
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goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:07 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:23 am
GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:51 pm Sure! I'll happily agree that they can have a variety of views, including just being a cover for white supremacy. If only they can explain one thing: how can they fail to understand the very basics of English grammar?

If I say "video games are art" we clearly understand that I'm saying video games are a form of art, and should be considered as such in analysis. I'm clearly not saying that video games are the only form of art, and that we should ignore Citizen Kane or David because only video games are art.

If I say "Science fiction is literature" I am clearly saying that science fiction should be considered a form of literature instead of excluded by all the genre snobs. I am clearly not saying that Science Fiction is the only form of literature and that we should throw out Of Mice and Men or Les Miserables for not being sufficiently science fiction.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to believe there's a large number of people who don't understand what is meant by "black lives matter?"
maybe they are like me and need things spelled out to them 90% of the time because I'm autistic and it makes me literal minded.
Consistently misunderstanding it in that one certain way? To me getting "All literature is science fiction" from "Science fiction is literature" is pretty incoherent and requires "spelling out" to see that possibility. To me Black Lives Matter literally means Black Lives Matter.
okay, but I for one, certainly have trouble with this because of both my autism and my individualistic worldview.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:19 am
goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:07 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:23 am
GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:51 pm Sure! I'll happily agree that they can have a variety of views, including just being a cover for white supremacy. If only they can explain one thing: how can they fail to understand the very basics of English grammar?

If I say "video games are art" we clearly understand that I'm saying video games are a form of art, and should be considered as such in analysis. I'm clearly not saying that video games are the only form of art, and that we should ignore Citizen Kane or David because only video games are art.

If I say "Science fiction is literature" I am clearly saying that science fiction should be considered a form of literature instead of excluded by all the genre snobs. I am clearly not saying that Science Fiction is the only form of literature and that we should throw out Of Mice and Men or Les Miserables for not being sufficiently science fiction.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to believe there's a large number of people who don't understand what is meant by "black lives matter?"
maybe they are like me and need things spelled out to them 90% of the time because I'm autistic and it makes me literal minded.
Consistently misunderstanding it in that one certain way? To me getting "All literature is science fiction" from "Science fiction is literature" is pretty incoherent and requires "spelling out" to see that possibility. To me Black Lives Matter literally means Black Lives Matter.
okay, but I for one, certainly have trouble with this because of both my autism and my individualistic worldview.
And I have trouple with this (both attempting to discuss things with you and seeing those statements as not being what they literally mean to me) perhaps because of my autism and my personal hang ups with those who don't try to improve themselves.
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goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:39 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:19 am
goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:07 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:23 am
GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:51 pm Sure! I'll happily agree that they can have a variety of views, including just being a cover for white supremacy. If only they can explain one thing: how can they fail to understand the very basics of English grammar?

If I say "video games are art" we clearly understand that I'm saying video games are a form of art, and should be considered as such in analysis. I'm clearly not saying that video games are the only form of art, and that we should ignore Citizen Kane or David because only video games are art.

If I say "Science fiction is literature" I am clearly saying that science fiction should be considered a form of literature instead of excluded by all the genre snobs. I am clearly not saying that Science Fiction is the only form of literature and that we should throw out Of Mice and Men or Les Miserables for not being sufficiently science fiction.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to believe there's a large number of people who don't understand what is meant by "black lives matter?"
maybe they are like me and need things spelled out to them 90% of the time because I'm autistic and it makes me literal minded.
Consistently misunderstanding it in that one certain way? To me getting "All literature is science fiction" from "Science fiction is literature" is pretty incoherent and requires "spelling out" to see that possibility. To me Black Lives Matter literally means Black Lives Matter.
okay, but I for one, certainly have trouble with this because of both my autism and my individualistic worldview.
And I have trouple with this (both attempting to discuss things with you and seeing those statements as not being what they literally mean to me) perhaps because of my autism and my personal hang ups with those who don't try to improve themselves.
well, the misinterpretation of "Black Lives Matter" is dumb but how is someone supposed to interpret "All Cops are Bastards"?
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:04 pm
goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:39 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:19 am
goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:07 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:23 am
GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:51 pm Sure! I'll happily agree that they can have a variety of views, including just being a cover for white supremacy. If only they can explain one thing: how can they fail to understand the very basics of English grammar?

If I say "video games are art" we clearly understand that I'm saying video games are a form of art, and should be considered as such in analysis. I'm clearly not saying that video games are the only form of art, and that we should ignore Citizen Kane or David because only video games are art.

If I say "Science fiction is literature" I am clearly saying that science fiction should be considered a form of literature instead of excluded by all the genre snobs. I am clearly not saying that Science Fiction is the only form of literature and that we should throw out Of Mice and Men or Les Miserables for not being sufficiently science fiction.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to believe there's a large number of people who don't understand what is meant by "black lives matter?"
maybe they are like me and need things spelled out to them 90% of the time because I'm autistic and it makes me literal minded.
Consistently misunderstanding it in that one certain way? To me getting "All literature is science fiction" from "Science fiction is literature" is pretty incoherent and requires "spelling out" to see that possibility. To me Black Lives Matter literally means Black Lives Matter.
okay, but I for one, certainly have trouble with this because of both my autism and my individualistic worldview.
And I have trouple with this (both attempting to discuss things with you and seeing those statements as not being what they literally mean to me) perhaps because of my autism and my personal hang ups with those who don't try to improve themselves.
well, the misinterpretation of "Black Lives Matter" is dumb but how is someone supposed to interpret "All Cops are Bastards"?
They're titles more than anything. They're not necessarily to depict specifically its directive but be more signatory and evocative.
..What mirror universe?
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BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:08 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:04 pm
goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:39 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:19 am
goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:07 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:23 am
GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:51 pm Sure! I'll happily agree that they can have a variety of views, including just being a cover for white supremacy. If only they can explain one thing: how can they fail to understand the very basics of English grammar?

If I say "video games are art" we clearly understand that I'm saying video games are a form of art, and should be considered as such in analysis. I'm clearly not saying that video games are the only form of art, and that we should ignore Citizen Kane or David because only video games are art.

If I say "Science fiction is literature" I am clearly saying that science fiction should be considered a form of literature instead of excluded by all the genre snobs. I am clearly not saying that Science Fiction is the only form of literature and that we should throw out Of Mice and Men or Les Miserables for not being sufficiently science fiction.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to believe there's a large number of people who don't understand what is meant by "black lives matter?"
maybe they are like me and need things spelled out to them 90% of the time because I'm autistic and it makes me literal minded.
Consistently misunderstanding it in that one certain way? To me getting "All literature is science fiction" from "Science fiction is literature" is pretty incoherent and requires "spelling out" to see that possibility. To me Black Lives Matter literally means Black Lives Matter.
okay, but I for one, certainly have trouble with this because of both my autism and my individualistic worldview.
And I have trouple with this (both attempting to discuss things with you and seeing those statements as not being what they literally mean to me) perhaps because of my autism and my personal hang ups with those who don't try to improve themselves.
well, the misinterpretation of "Black Lives Matter" is dumb but how is someone supposed to interpret "All Cops are Bastards"?
They're titles more than anything. They're not necessarily to depict specifically its directive but be more signatory and evocative.
I'm getting you guy's point more and more but my principals of judging everyone ever as individuals is still hardwired into my brain.
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:27 pm
BridgeConsoleMasher wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:08 pm
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:04 pm
goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:39 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:19 am
goodperson25 wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:07 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:23 am
GreyICE wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:51 pm Sure! I'll happily agree that they can have a variety of views, including just being a cover for white supremacy. If only they can explain one thing: how can they fail to understand the very basics of English grammar?

If I say "video games are art" we clearly understand that I'm saying video games are a form of art, and should be considered as such in analysis. I'm clearly not saying that video games are the only form of art, and that we should ignore Citizen Kane or David because only video games are art.

If I say "Science fiction is literature" I am clearly saying that science fiction should be considered a form of literature instead of excluded by all the genre snobs. I am clearly not saying that Science Fiction is the only form of literature and that we should throw out Of Mice and Men or Les Miserables for not being sufficiently science fiction.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to believe there's a large number of people who don't understand what is meant by "black lives matter?"
maybe they are like me and need things spelled out to them 90% of the time because I'm autistic and it makes me literal minded.
Consistently misunderstanding it in that one certain way? To me getting "All literature is science fiction" from "Science fiction is literature" is pretty incoherent and requires "spelling out" to see that possibility. To me Black Lives Matter literally means Black Lives Matter.
okay, but I for one, certainly have trouble with this because of both my autism and my individualistic worldview.
And I have trouple with this (both attempting to discuss things with you and seeing those statements as not being what they literally mean to me) perhaps because of my autism and my personal hang ups with those who don't try to improve themselves.
well, the misinterpretation of "Black Lives Matter" is dumb but how is someone supposed to interpret "All Cops are Bastards"?
They're titles more than anything. They're not necessarily to depict specifically its directive but be more signatory and evocative.
I'm getting you guy's point more and more but my principals of judging everyone ever as individuals is still hardwired into my brain.
There's a host of understandable reasons why someone might stay in association with something with apparently irreconcilable foundations. I don't feel that modern progressivism seeks to dishonor that really.
..What mirror universe?
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:50 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:09 am Don't try that angle. He believes that really good people are always good, no matter what evil they do, and really evil people were, at best, sociopaths deep down waiting for the right chance. Apparently being a good person is some abstract crystal essence that no amount of human cruelty can corrupt and has nothing to do with how much blood you have on your hands.
and you misinterperet what I believe about good and evil. there is a point were good intentions are just an excuse but not sure anyone less then a genocidal dictator can cross that line.
So you can murder seven people but still be a "good" person?
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Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:47 pm
Draco Dracul wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:02 am
Dragon Ball Fan wrote: Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:26 pm and about why people misinterpret what "Black Lives Matter" means, then why do people use a term that implies an attack on every individual like "All Cops are Bastards" if it's the system that's the problem and not individual cops, then why not use a term that reflects that distinction?
Because the systemic corruption prevents good cops from existing, both directly as encourages engaging in the same kind of corruption and indirectly by encouraging people to turn a blind eye. I mean one of the cops that killed George Floyd joined with the intent of changing the force for the better, yet he stood by and watched as a man was murdered in cold blood by a fellow officer.
what about the cops who oppenly support black lives matter?
Do they stop fellow officers from killing black people, or report it when they escalate a simple traffic stop into a violent incident?

Let's take it further.

What has your uncle done to stop bad cops?
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