“All lives matter” protesters drop the mask

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

and about why people misinterpret what "Black Lives Matter" means, then why do people use a term that implies an attack on every individual like "All Cops are Bastards" if it's the system that's the problem and not individual cops, then why not use a term that reflects that distinction?

Because the systemic corruption prevents good cops from existing, both directly as encourages engaging in the same kind of corruption and indirectly by encouraging people to turn a blind eye. I mean one of the cops that killed George Floyd joined with the intent of changing the force for the better, yet he stood by and watched as a man was murdered in cold blood by a fellow officer.

statements like this make it seem like there is no hope to fix the problem at all, witch is probably not what you intended. what about cops who are placed nowhere near the bad cops and just go about their jobs correctly without ever having to make those choices the more corrupt part of the system would make them deal with?

There is hope, but it involves addressing systemic problems and institutions, instead of just individual people, so you think it's not real.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I'm pretty sure he's agreed with that much lol.

He doesn't agree with your generalization, and that's pretty much it. Good cops aren't really defined by their ability to stop corruption, and I don't think it's even in society's best interest for them to abduct themselves from the system lest they just be determined defaultly bad by you because of ulterior governmental failings.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

I'm pretty sure he's agreed with that much lol.

He doesn't agree with your generalization, and that's pretty much it. Good cops aren't really defined by their ability to stop corruption, and I don't think it's even in society's best interest for them to abduct themselves from the system lest they just be determined defaultly bad by you because of ulterior governmental failings.

exactly, thank you.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

Don't try that angle. He believes that really good people are always good, no matter what evil they do, and really evil people were, at best, sociopaths deep down waiting for the right chance. Apparently being a good person is some abstract crystal essence that no amount of human cruelty can corrupt and has nothing to do with how much blood you have on your hands.

and you misinterperet what I believe about good and evil. there is a point were good intentions are just an excuse but not sure anyone less then a genocidal dictator can cross that line.

So you can murder seven people but still be a "good" person?

okay, that crosses the line too.

[Fuzzy Necromancer]

Then where is the line? Because you have done a very poor job of defining the distinction between good and evil.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

Then where is the line? Because you have done a very poor job of defining the distinction between good and evil.

anything below murdering someone in cold blood.

[TGLS]

Then where is the line? Because you have done a very poor job of defining the distinction between good and evil.

anything below murdering someone in cold blood.

So if someone got really mad before killing someone they could be on the good side?

And what is "below" murder? Assault? Rape? Armed Robbery?

Poisoning a heartless dictator to stop him from committing some atrocity would be murder in cold blood. I would hardly say anyone who did that would be worse than angry racists beating a black man, or someone who killed a guy claiming gay panic.

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In all honesty, the way you treat morality, having axiomatic definitions of good and evil that are barely 5 words long comes off as foolish.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I really don't think you guys understand that he's talking about orthodox evilness in the eyes of God, not about what's generally considered right and wrong.

[Dragon Ball Fan]

I really don't think you guys understand that he's talking about orthodox evilness in the eyes of God, not about what's generally considered right and wrong.

not really, I should have said from the start that nothing that directly hurts another will make someone a bad person in my eyes.

[BridgeConsoleMasher]

I really don't think you guys understand that he's talking about orthodox evilness in the eyes of God, not about what's generally considered right and wrong.

not really, I should have said from the start that nothing that directly hurts another will make someone a bad person in my eyes.

What I was getting at though is that the duality you're working with in terms of good and evil is a bit polar. Like you're defining good people based on them still having humanity, which just involves them not hurting someone intentionally. Still though humanity is present until they kill someone, as a general benchmark at the very least. As long as they have humanity then there is still goodness in them...