The Fascist Leader Intends to Reschedule the Election
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The Fascist Leader Intends to Reschedule the Election
Yeah he doesn't have the legal power to do that, but so what? He doesn't have the legal power to most of the things he does. The law didn't even stop him when he was running failing casinos and writing bad checks to his workers! Why should it matter now? But hey I bet Nancy Pelosi will have a really cutting remark and epic clapback when he does move the election to a more convenient time for him.
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Re: The Fascist Leader Intends to Reschedule the Election
F*cking stop. Several Democratic party members have been arrested for election tampering via mail in ballots. It isn't a conspiracy. It appears to be standard Democrat party operations.
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Re: The Fascist Leader Intends to Reschedule the Election
I love how you try to change the subject, as this has nothing to do with his attempt to spoil the election via breaking the post office, but actual overtures of changing the election date.Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:39 pm F*cking stop. Several Democratic party members have been arrested for election tampering via mail in ballots. It isn't a conspiracy. It appears to be standard Democrat party operations.
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As a Brit sitting on the sidelines, I find this hilarious. Our system is designed to be flexible. A big disaster such as, for example, a worldwide plague, and we shift it a few months. No big deal.
I mean... what the Sam Hill is the problem here exactly? Postal ballots have been a security concern in every country they have been tried in. The most logical answer is to wait until this wave of Covid-19 is over and then hold the election.
I mean... what the Sam Hill is the problem here exactly? Postal ballots have been a security concern in every country they have been tried in. The most logical answer is to wait until this wave of Covid-19 is over and then hold the election.
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However does that not also mean in the extreme that due to not being able to go for a physical ballot we will stop elections. Thus all those currently in office will remain till they die?clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:47 pm As a Brit sitting on the sidelines, I find this hilarious. Our system is designed to be flexible. A big disaster such as, for example, a worldwide plague, and we shift it a few months. No big deal.
I mean... what the Sam Hill is the problem here exactly? Postal ballots have been a security concern in every country they have been tried in. The most logical answer is to wait until this wave of Covid-19 is over and then hold the election.
I am not certain. But I think that is at least part of the fear dredged up.
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Classic example of the slippery slope and probably a bit of reductio ad absurdum too - the president could end up as dictator for life, therefore, any sort of delay for any reason is unacceptable even if there is a benefit to doing so.Nealithi wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:59 pmHowever does that not also mean in the extreme that due to not being able to go for a physical ballot we will stop elections. Thus all those currently in office will remain till they die?clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:47 pm As a Brit sitting on the sidelines, I find this hilarious. Our system is designed to be flexible. A big disaster such as, for example, a worldwide plague, and we shift it a few months. No big deal.
I mean... what the Sam Hill is the problem here exactly? Postal ballots have been a security concern in every country they have been tried in. The most logical answer is to wait until this wave of Covid-19 is over and then hold the election.
I am not certain. But I think that is at least part of the fear dredged up.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/30/what-tremendous-burden-it-must-be-you-still-be-defending-donald-trump/Joe Scarborough wrote: You have echoed lies and defended demagoguery. It must sting to still be defending Trump.
What a tremendous burden it must be for you to still be defending President Trump. You have called yourself a constitutional conservative for decades, but now you sit silently as the president pushes to move this year’s election because he might lose. Even some Republican senators are speaking up. Why aren’t you?
Trump remembers how you ran interference for him when he claimed unlimited powers under Article II of the Constitution, so he thinks you will stay quiet. Remember your silence after Charlottesville? You eventually mustered the nerve to claim Trump never preached moral equivalence between torch-carrying Nazis and protesters. How unthoughtful it was of David Duke to expose you by praising the president’s putrid performance and thanking Trump for his “honesty and courage to tell the truth.” The former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard even bragged to reporters that Charlottesville represented a “turning point” for white nationalism. “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump,” Duke proclaimed. “That’s why we voted for [him].”
Ouch. That one had to sting, but you kept on defending Donald.
If you had a political soul after that shameful stunt, the Cold Warrior in you would have been as sickened by Trump’s retreat from Germany as U.S. strategists were over his ceding of Syria to Vladimir Putin, handing Moscow a foothold in the Middle East for the first time since 1973. No country was a closer ally during the Cold War than West Germany, and no nation is more critical to Europe’s future now than a unified Germany. Undermining the U.S.-German alliance because of an ignorant misunderstanding of NATO’s dues structure undermines the historic work that Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush completed throughout the Cold War’s final years.
But there you are, silently supporting a demagogue who sits by while intelligence suggests Russia’s leader put bounties on the heads of young American troops. Trump instead plays Putin’s apologist by declaring the United States equally guilty.
“Well, we supplied weapons when they were fighting Russia, too,” Trump said of our efforts to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviet invasion some 40 years ago.
Did any part of you cringe when Trump leaned once again on the crutch of moral equivalency, ignoring the glaring fact that the U.S.S.R. was America’s sworn enemy during our “twilight struggle” against communism? Maybe not. Maybe Trump has you figured out and knows what a frightened political soul you are, and remembers that you remained mute when he defended Putin’s killing of journalists and political rivals almost five years ago. “Our country does plenty of killing also,” candidate Trump told me when I repeatedly pressed him on “Morning Joe” to criticize Putin’s murderous ways. He wouldn’t then when the victims were Russian reporters, and he won’t now when the targets are young American heroes in uniform.
When it was revealed that Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign was “sweeping and systematic,” you shrugged your shoulders. You later learned that Russian nationals with connections to the Kremlin promised Trump’s family dirt on Hillary Clinton, and that they were excited to learn it was part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” You remained motionless, numb to it all, when federal investigators later revealed that Russia’s GRU began hacking Clinton-related email accounts hours after Trump announced this: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”
By this time, you began mindlessly regurgitating the former reality TV host’s propaganda about the “Russian hoax,” and hoped Americans would be stupid enough to ignore the mountains of damning evidence against Trump. Your singular focus turned to the Steele dossier’s most lurid tales, and you believed then, and now, that Christopher Steele’s fantastical claims could erase a multitude of Trump’s sins. You repeated the lies of Attorney General William P. Barr and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey O. Graham when they falsely claimed the FBI’s investigation began with Steele’s dossier. And you kept repeating this idiotic defense even after it became painfully evident that Trump’s team welcomed Russia’s interference in American democracy and then tried to cover it up. You still refuse to criticize the Trump team’s use of material stolen by Russia during the last month of the campaign, just like you and your president continue turning a blind eye to any Russian bounties.
None dare call it treason, but perhaps one day they will.
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Considering I mentioned that it was in the extreme. And mentioning that it would lead to at least some of the fear. How does the fact that it is extreme waive the fear it produces?clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:20 pmClassic example of the slippery slope and probably a bit of reductio ad absurdum too - the president could end up as dictator for life, therefore, any sort of delay for any reason is unacceptable even if there is a benefit to doing so.Nealithi wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:59 pmHowever does that not also mean in the extreme that due to not being able to go for a physical ballot we will stop elections. Thus all those currently in office will remain till they die?clearspira wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:47 pm As a Brit sitting on the sidelines, I find this hilarious. Our system is designed to be flexible. A big disaster such as, for example, a worldwide plague, and we shift it a few months. No big deal.
I mean... what the Sam Hill is the problem here exactly? Postal ballots have been a security concern in every country they have been tried in. The most logical answer is to wait until this wave of Covid-19 is over and then hold the election.
I am not certain. But I think that is at least part of the fear dredged up.
My mother is afraid of flying. That the wings will simply sheer off the plane in mid flight. That is an extremely unlikely occurrence. But she is still afraid of it and refuses to fly because of it.
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They are related. The mail in ballots are a way to handle the election while dealing with Covid 19 concerns. A delay to the election can be done for the same reason, or to give time for mail in ballots less vulnerable to fraud.Draco Dracul wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:50 pmI love how you try to change the subject, as this has nothing to do with his attempt to spoil the election via breaking the post office, but actual overtures of changing the election date.Antiboyscout wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:39 pm F*cking stop. Several Democratic party members have been arrested for election tampering via mail in ballots. It isn't a conspiracy. It appears to be standard Democrat party operations.
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Re: The Fascist Leader Intends to Reschedule the Election
What fascist leader? The one who is less authoritarian than the ones opposing him? The one less racist than the ones opposing him? That fascist leader?